my first Mock Draft with possibly "trades"

[koolkatluke]

I do not see how Jenkins doesn't scare the heck of people. He was kicked off the team at UF, suspended at NA, has several drug-related offenses,sired 4 bastard children, and you want to give him about $10 million guaranteed? I would consider him in the fourth, but if I am investing in a first round pick, I do not want the pick rolling joints with the Benjamins. Give me high character guys like Thomas Davis, Gross, Beason, and I can say this now, Cam. Don't pay some thug with a few skills to come here and spread his crap all over Charlotte. I would much rather have Kuechly, Ingram, or Jonathan Martin. I would rather draft a class act like Chase Minnefield in the second round. I know he has talent, but he is fool's gold. Put a few thousand dollars in his hand and see what he does with it. Poooof. I am done.

I agree with most of your post but If the FO does it job like it did with Cam and Choose Jenkins then I have no problem with the pick.

I don't want Kuechly unless Beason is lying and won't be stronger then he was. But Beason has been on the radio a few times and said he is well on his way back stronger then ever.

I don't want Martin because I just don't want to pick a olinemen when our defense was so bad last year.

Ingram intrest me. He could be like a New era LT. He can rush from the edge the middle and drop back in coverage. But i see him being better in a team that runs a base 3-4.

But I agree I'd rather get a dlinemen in the 1st round and a CB in the 2nd.

[carolina-chuck]

1.Chuck do me a favor look at just the Playoff teams Oline and find me all the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round guards. Then compare them to all the 4th thru undrafted guards on those teams.

Then tell me if you would still use a 2nd round pick on a guard.

2. Cox will be the 2nd or 3rd best DT soon IMO. But even if he is 4th he still won't make it out the 1st round.

3. I do like the Jenkins pick and the trade.

i get what you're saying but you cant just look at playoff teams from last year and use that against taking a ol in the 1st 2nd or 3rd. those teams were in the playoffs bc of strong D, QB, and consistent coaches and staffs.

so are you telling me that we shouldnt take decastro if we have the chance to and wait for something other G from a smaller school in the later round?

[koolkatluke]

i get what you're saying but you cant just look at playoff teams from last year and use that against taking a ol in the 1st 2nd or 3rd. those teams were in the playoffs bc of strong D, QB, and consistent coaches and staffs.

so are you telling me that we shouldnt take decastro if we have the chance to and wait for something other G from a smaller school in the later round?

I said Guards now Tackles you should get them early.

Decastro is a luxury pick for a team later in the 1st round. Did you know their hasn't been a Offensive guard drafted in the top 10 since 1997? This should tell you most teams have found a way fill their Guard position without using high picks.

So yes I would be pissed if we used a top 10 pick on a Guard. I be pissed if we used a top 20 pick on a guard. Like I said their is only 1 1st round pick guard in the top 10 Logan Mankins and he was the 32 pick.

[carolina-chuck]

I said Guards now Tackles you should get them early.

Decastro is a luxury pick for a team later in the 1st round. Did you know their hasn't been a Offensive guard drafted in the top 10 since 1997? This should tell you most teams have found a way fill their Guard position without using high picks.

So yes I would be pissed if we used a top 10 pick on a Guard. I be pissed if we used a top 20 pick on a guard. Like I said their is only 1 1st round pick guard in the top 10 Logan Mankins and he was the 32 pick.

Decastro I believe is a guard not tackle. I can tell you that a he is going to be a top 20 pick. Maybe even a top ten at 8th for miami. I wud b stun if he fell out of the 20. Look at for example the jets . On of the best oline up there. High draft picks on mangold n etc

[koolkatluke]

Decastro I believe is a guard not tackle. I can tell you that a he is going to be a top 20 pick. Maybe even a top ten at 8th for miami. I wud b stun if he fell out of the 20. Look at for example the jets . On of the best oline up there. High draft picks on mangold n etc

Mangold is a center and yes I would get a good center in early rounds. The jets also surround him with 2 low round guards Moore who was undrafted and Matt Slauson (6th round).

If Miami drafts him then they would be stupid they need another Tackle.

I don't care who picks decastro as long as we don't waste a high pick on him.

[carolina-chuck]

Mangold is a center and yes I would get a good center in early rounds. The jets also surround him with 2 low round guards Moore who was undrafted and Matt Slauson (6th round).

If Miami drafts him then they would be stupid they need another Tackle.

I don't care who picks decastro as long as we don't waste a high pick on him.

Steve Hutchinson, luke pettigout, randy thomas, Mike Iupati, Davin Joseph, Daryn Colledge, logan mankins, david baas, chris snee, eric steinbach, andre gurode.

all first and second rounders. i could go back and find many more guards if you want me too. now go and find your 4-6 rounders guards and compare them with these guys. not everyone is evans and nicks

you saying decastro would be awasted pick if we pick him? he's been compare to "hutchinson". not everyone can be compare to "hutchinson" . but i see people going crazy over "poe" who just this week is being compare to kris jenkins bc he showed up at the combine. not on tape like decastro. and people are beating the roof for poe. quit listening to the media and watching the combine. watch college games sometimes people. tapes matter, not the combine

[carolina-chuck]

i get what you're seeing. the media puts out there that hey, guys like evans and nicks were picked late. dont draft a guard early, take a chance with one later on. but you know what, no one (media) was saying that before nicks and evans came along. you hear that and now you get the sense that guards can be found later. id rather take a chance on a better prospect early than a lower prospect later. knowing i have a chance of striking gold

[MHS831]

i agree with most of your post but if the fo does it job like it did with cam and choose jenkins then i have no problem with the pick. i totally understand everything you say and wish i had the faith you do. You could be right on all counts. I think you have to trust them. Hogan was a risk, and he is doing ok so far. However, cam was never on drugs, and that scares me. Put a bunch of money in his hand....right now he is trying to save face and get picked high--he has an agent coaching him on what to say....i assume, of course. The draft is risky enough.

i don't want kuechly unless beason is lying and won't be stronger then he was. But beason has been on the radio a few times and said he is well on his way back stronger then ever. this is the first i have heard of this. Even so, kuechly could play wlb should davis not pull off a miracle, which is what it would be. Beason is the eternal optimist, so be careful hanging on his words--that is why we love him--never say quit attitute.

i don't want martin because i just don't want to pick a olinemen when our defense was so bad last year.

he is actually dropping on many mocks. I saw him in the second round for the first time--going to someone like tennessee in another.

ingram intrest me. He could be like a new era lt. He can rush from the edge the middle and drop back in coverage. But i see him being better in a team that runs a base 3-4.

as a gamecock fan, i love him. A good creative dc would turn him into a stud. A bad one would ruin him. Here, rr would turn him loose. Good call.

but i agree i'd rather get a dlinemen in the 1st round and a cb in the 2nd.i really am liking some second round cbs. Chase minnifield is my choice, but there are several who can upgrade us. I also liked what i saw in harrison smith at fs.

comments in bold above

THIS IS ENOUGH FOR ME:

One AFC executive told Yahoo Sports that he expects at least a handful of teams to remove North Alabama CB Janoris Jenkins from their draft boards due to off-field issues.

Jenkins has been arrested three times, was suspended at North Alabama even after being kicked out of Florida, has four children under the age of four, and had an admitted ongoing drug problem as recently as a year ago. "We haven’t decided what to do with him," said the AFC exec. "We might take him off our board. I know there will be 3-4 teams that will take him off right away, at least for the first round." Said one NFC executive, "I know this movie. It usually doesn’t end well." Added an AFC defensive coordinator, "It's a lot, that's all I can say." Feb. 26 - 8:53 pm et

Source: Yahoo Sports

[nickzz]

jordan jefferson is absolute trash and has no business being mentioned here

[koolkatluke]

Steve Hutchinson, luke pettigout, randy thomas, Mike Iupati, Davin Joseph, Daryn Colledge, logan mankins, david baas, chris snee, eric steinbach, andre gurode.

all first and second rounders. i could go back and find many more guards if you want me too. now go and find your 4-6 rounders guards and compare them with these guys. not everyone is evans and nicks

you saying decastro would be awasted pick if we pick him? he's been compare to "hutchinson". not everyone can be compare to "hutchinson" . but i see people going crazy over "poe" who just this week is being compare to kris jenkins bc he showed up at the combine. not on tape like decastro. and people are beating the roof for poe. quit listening to the media and watching the combine. watch college games sometimes people. tapes matter, not the combine

http://thedctimes.com/2012/02/top-20-nfl-offensive-guards-using-advanced-stats-to-rank-best-ogs/

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Top 20 NFL Offensive Guards: Using Advanced Stats to Rank Best OGs

Jonathan Bales

Last week, I posted my list of the NFL’s top 20 NFL offensive tackles. That list caused some stir, particularly with the absence of Jordan Gross, Phil Loadholt and Donald Penn. The rankings were for 2011 only, however, and the same is true of my list of the top 20 NFL guards.

Note that, although I still value pass protection more than run blocking, the run blocking ability of guards is weighted more heavily than it was for tackles. Also be aware that I generally discredit sack totals and focus more on pressures yielded. Many of the stats were gathered from Pro Football Focus.

1. Marshal Yanda, Baltimore Ravens (3rd round)

As one of the league’s top run blockers, Yanda also excelled in pass protection, yielding only six pressures in 1066 snaps. That 0.56% pressure rate is outstanding.

2. Carl Nicks, New Orleans Saints (4th round)

Nick’s pressure rate of 0.68% is right behind Yanda, and he’s every bit the run blocker.

3. Evan Mathis, Philadelphia Eagles (3rd round)

Mathis isn’t the third-best guard in the NFL, but he played like it in 2011. I think his run blocking gets aided by the nature of the Eagles’ offense, but he was still the best in the league last year. Philly backs averaged 4.9 yards-per-carry when Mathis was at the point-of-attack, which is nuts for an interior lineman. His 1.17% pressure rate isn’t shabby, either.

4. Josh Sitton, Green Bay Packers (4th round)

In pass protection, Sitton is about as good as any guard in the league. His run blocking is also really good, just not at the same level as Mathis.

5. Mike Iupati, San Francisco 49ers (1st round 17th)

Iupati is quickly becoming one of the more well-rounded guards in the NFL. A 1.04% pressure rate and really good run blocking.

6. Brian Waters, New England Patriots (undrafted)

Almost everyone will have teammate Logan Mankins ahead of Waters, and looking at the two from a career standpoint, that’s probably right. In 2011, though, Waters was pretty good as a run blocker and allowed only seven pressures in 1139 snaps (0.62% pressure rate compared to 1.50% for Mankins).

7. Jake Scott, Tennessee Titans (5th round)

Generally stout in the run game, Scott struggled some in that department in 2011. Some of that could be due to Chris Johnson’s decline, though, and Scott’s 11 pressures in 1045 snaps was really good.

8. Andy Levitre, Buffalo Bills (2nd)

Levitre struggled badly when he first entered the league, but he’s now on the fast track to becoming a top five guard.

9. Chad Rinehart, Buffalo Bills (3rd)

Levitre’s teammate could actually be higher on this list, as he allowed only eight pressures in 868 snaps. Fred Jackson, C.J. Spiller & Co. averaged nearly 5.0 yards-per-rush when he was at the point-of-attack. On an efficiency basis, that rivals the NFL’s elite.

10. Steve Hutchinson, Minnesota Vikings (1st) 17th

Hutchinson is still getting it done, protecting the passer at a Pro Bowl level (nine pressures in 907 snaps).

11. Jahri Evans, New Orleans Saints (6th)

Make no mistake about it. . .Evans is undoubtedly a top 10 NFL guard. He’s perhaps the best run-blocking interior lineman in the NFL. In 2011 alone, though, he allowed 26 pressures. If this list was based solely on pass protection, Evans and his 2.28% pressure rate wouldn’t even make this list. The key question for New Orleans is if this will be a recurring trend now that Evans got paid the big bucks, or if he simply had a down season. I think it is the latter.

12. Logan Mankins, New England Patriots (1st) 32nd

A 1.50% pressure rate and pretty good run blocking from one of the league’s most consistent guards.

13. Jeremy Zuttah, Tampa Bay Bucs (3rd)

Zuttah was injured for part of the 2011 campaign, but he still turned in slightly above average pass protection and good run blocking.

14. Richie Incognito, Miami Dolphins (3rd)

The former fullback is underrated as a guard. He needs to improve at the point-of-attack, but his 0.95% pressure rate was one of the top numbers in 2011.

15. Mike Brisiel, Houston Texans (undrafted)

Brisiel is an underrated player on one of the league’s most underrated lines.

16. Leroy Harris, Tennessee Titans (4th)

Harris was really poor as a run blocker last year. So how is he on this list? A 0.79% pressure rate.

17. Brandon Moore, New York Jets (undrafted)

One of the league’s better guards in pass protection needs to improve as a run blocker, but it doesn’t help that the Jets’ offense is so predictable.

18. Ben Grubbs, Baltimore Ravens (1st) 29

Grubbs played only 677 snaps in 2011, but his 0.89% pressure rate was outstanding. He’d be higher if he was on the field more.

19. Stephen Peterman, Detroit Lions (3rd)

Peterman and teammate Rob Sims (No. 20) both played 1143 snaps, putting up nearly identical numbers.

20. Rob Sims, Detroit Lions (4th)

Sims’ pressure rate was slightly better than Peterman’s (0.96% to 1.14%), but the Lions averaged just 3.7 YPC running behind Sims.

Notably Absent: Justin Blalock, (2nd) Atlanta Falcons; Davin Joseph, (1st 27)Tampa Bay Bucs; Chris Snee,(2nd )New York Giants

Let the fury begin. Here is my reasoning: Blalock was a really poor run blocker in 2011, with Falcons’ backs averaging only 3.5 YPC behind him. His pressure rate of 1.40% isn’t good enough to make up for that.

Supporters of Joseph will point to the fact that he allowed only two sacks and was solid in the run game. Yielding 21 pressures will generally result in a greater sack rate, though, so Joseph was really lucky to give up just two last year.

Chris Snee is a top 20 guard in the league, but he had a poor 2011 season. I debated putting him on the list, but he’s on the outside looking in with 18 pressures and below average run blocking. He should return in 2012.

It's not the media their are more later round picks on this list.

[carolina-chuck]

jordan jefferson is absolute trash and has no business being mentioned here

all you guys are the one wanting a mobile qb to sit and learn after Cam right?

ill said it again, i put him there only bc hes a mobile qb and i dont see us being able to take russell wilson. wilson will def be gone earlier than 7th. i dont see clausen being here long, and anderson is getting u there in age. i can tell yo that well be looking to bring in a mobile qb maybe jefferson either through 7th or sign him as an undrafted free agents.

[carolina-chuck]

Originally Posted by koolkatluke View Post

i agree with most of your post but if the fo does it job like it did with cam and choose jenkins then i have no problem with the pick. i totally understand everything you say and wish i had the faith you do. You could be right on all counts. I think you have to trust them. Hogan was a risk, and he is doing ok so far. However, cam was never on drugs, and that scares me. Put a bunch of money in his hand....right now he is trying to save face and get picked high--he has an agent coaching him on what to say....i assume, of course. The draft is risky enough.

i don't want kuechly unless beason is lying and won't be stronger then he was. But beason has been on the radio a few times and said he is well on his way back stronger then ever. this is the first i have heard of this. Even so, kuechly could play wlb should davis not pull off a miracle, which is what it would be. Beason is the eternal optimist, so be careful hanging on his words--that is why we love him--never say quit attitute.

i don't want martin because i just don't want to pick a olinemen when our defense was so bad last year.

he is actually dropping on many mocks. I saw him in the second round for the first time--going to someone like tennessee in another.

ingram intrest me. He could be like a new era lt. He can rush from the edge the middle and drop back in coverage. But i see him being better in a team that runs a base 3-4.

as a gamecock fan, i love him. A good creative dc would turn him into a stud. A bad one would ruin him. Here, rr would turn him loose. Good call.

but i agree i'd rather get a dlinemen in the 1st round and a cb in the 2nd.i really am liking some second round cbs. Chase minnifield is my choice, but there are several who can upgrade us. I also liked what i saw in harrison smith at fs.

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you and i didnt even see hogan played but maybe 8 snaps the whole entire season and you said you can judge him that he played well already? kiddin me right?

Ingram seems to me like the next Brandon Graham Michigan. same body type and supposed to be an amazing pass rusher. nothing happens. too small. he will be great in a 3-4 like Pittsburgh but not playing end in a 43. see what happens to everette brown. too short.

i dont see us taking a safety in first or second at all unless barron fall to us and by drafting him as bpa. theres plenty of safety that should be in the fourth

[carolina-chuck]

http://thedctimes.com/2012/02/top-20-nfl-offensive-guards-using-advanced-stats-to-rank-best-ogs/

1. Marshal Yanda, Baltimore Ravens (3rd round)

As one of the league’s top run blockers, Yanda also excelled in pass protection, yielding only six pressures in 1066 snaps. That 0.56% pressure rate is outstanding.

2. Carl Nicks, New Orleans Saints (4th round)

Nick’s pressure rate of 0.68% is right behind Yanda, and he’s every bit the run blocker.

3. Evan Mathis, Philadelphia Eagles (3rd round)

Mathis isn’t the third-best guard in the NFL, but he played like it in 2011. I think his run blocking gets aided by the nature of the Eagles’ offense, but he was still the best in the league last year. Philly backs averaged 4.9 yards-per-carry when Mathis was at the point-of-attack, which is nuts for an interior lineman. His 1.17% pressure rate isn’t shabby, either.

4. Josh Sitton, Green Bay Packers (4th round)

In pass protection, Sitton is about as good as any guard in the league. His run blocking is also really good, just not at the same level as Mathis.

5. Mike Iupati, San Francisco 49ers (1st round 17th)

Iupati is quickly becoming one of the more well-rounded guards in the NFL. A 1.04% pressure rate and really good run blocking.

6. Brian Waters, New England Patriots (undrafted)

Almost everyone will have teammate Logan Mankins ahead of Waters, and looking at the two from a career standpoint, that’s probably right. In 2011, though, Waters was pretty good as a run blocker and allowed only seven pressures in 1139 snaps (0.62% pressure rate compared to 1.50% for Mankins).

7. Jake Scott, Tennessee Titans (5th round)

Generally stout in the run game, Scott struggled some in that department in 2011. Some of that could be due to Chris Johnson’s decline, though, and Scott’s 11 pressures in 1045 snaps was really good.

8. Andy Levitre, Buffalo Bills (2nd)

Levitre struggled badly when he first entered the league, but he’s now on the fast track to becoming a top five guard.

9. Chad Rinehart, Buffalo Bills (3rd)

Levitre’s teammate could actually be higher on this list, as he allowed only eight pressures in 868 snaps. Fred Jackson, C.J. Spiller & Co. averaged nearly 5.0 yards-per-rush when he was at the point-of-attack. On an efficiency basis, that rivals the NFL’s elite.

10. Steve Hutchinson, Minnesota Vikings (1st) 17th

Hutchinson is still getting it done, protecting the passer at a Pro Bowl level (nine pressures in 907 snaps).

11. Jahri Evans, New Orleans Saints (6th)

Make no mistake about it. . .Evans is undoubtedly a top 10 NFL guard. He’s perhaps the best run-blocking interior lineman in the NFL. In 2011 alone, though, he allowed 26 pressures. If this list was based solely on pass protection, Evans and his 2.28% pressure rate wouldn’t even make this list. The key question for New Orleans is if this will be a recurring trend now that Evans got paid the big bucks, or if he simply had a down season. I think it is the latter.

12. Logan Mankins, New England Patriots (1st) 32nd

A 1.50% pressure rate and pretty good run blocking from one of the league’s most consistent guards.

13. Jeremy Zuttah, Tampa Bay Bucs (3rd)

Zuttah was injured for part of the 2011 campaign, but he still turned in slightly above average pass protection and good run blocking.

14. Richie Incognito, Miami Dolphins (3rd)

The former fullback is underrated as a guard. He needs to improve at the point-of-attack, but his 0.95% pressure rate was one of the top numbers in 2011.

15. Mike Brisiel, Houston Texans (undrafted)

Brisiel is an underrated player on one of the league’s most underrated lines.

16. Leroy Harris, Tennessee Titans (4th)

Harris was really poor as a run blocker last year. So how is he on this list? A 0.79% pressure rate.

17. Brandon Moore, New York Jets (undrafted)

One of the league’s better guards in pass protection needs to improve as a run blocker, but it doesn’t help that the Jets’ offense is so predictable.

18. Ben Grubbs, Baltimore Ravens (1st) 29

Grubbs played only 677 snaps in 2011, but his 0.89% pressure rate was outstanding. He’d be higher if he was on the field more.

19. Stephen Peterman, Detroit Lions (3rd)

Peterman and teammate Rob Sims (No. 20) both played 1143 snaps, putting up nearly identical numbers.

20. Rob Sims, Detroit Lions (4th)

Sims’ pressure rate was slightly better than Peterman’s (0.96% to 1.14%), but the Lions averaged just 3.7 YPC running behind Sims.

Notably Absent: Justin Blalock, (2nd) Atlanta Falcons; Davin Joseph, (1st 27)Tampa Bay Bucs; Chris Snee,(2nd )New York Giants

Let the fury begin. Here is my reasoning: Blalock was a really poor run blocker in 2011, with Falcons’ backs averaging only 3.5 YPC behind him. His pressure rate of 1.40% isn’t good enough to make up for that.

Supporters of Joseph will point to the fact that he allowed only two sacks and was solid in the run game. Yielding 21 pressures will generally result in a greater sack rate, though, so Joseph was really lucky to give up just two last year.

Chris Snee is a top 20 guard in the league, but he had a poor 2011 season. I debated putting him on the list, but he’s on the outside looking in with 18 pressures and below average run blocking. He should return in 2012.

It's not the media their are more later round picks on this list.

lol you did your job, but still really? most of those guards i havent even heard and i bet you haven't even heard of them before. they're not even close to being in the same level as mine (1st and 2nd) rounders. how many of those are pro bowlers. they're average guards. that ranking was based solely on last year performance alone. once a team is winning, making the playoffs (detriot, houston, buffalo started out winning) all they're players are getting recognition for no reason. evan mathis is a top three guard? would you take mathis over even "davin joseph" ? hek no . detroit couldnt even run the ball at all, and they have both guards up there bc stafford had a good year.

[carpanfan96]

The Pro Bowl doesn't mean anything anymore... lol

I'd take Nicks, Yanda, Iupati, or Evans before any other guard in the NFL.