Trgovac Quote Thread

[bLACKpANTHER]

http://thinkexist.com/quotes/mike_trgovac/

From the man himself:

He jumped in bed with us; then about three in the morning he started puking. There was not much sleep after that.

I've always thought that if you do a good job people will notice you. I don't self promote myself or all that.

I've never been king before.

[JJT]

I'm hesitant to jump on this bandwagon before I hear the other side.

Surely there are some who can offer reasons to keep him.

[djshinodalp]

Surely there are some who can offer reasons to keep him.

*crickets*

[panthers55]

“He doesn't get into the calls that I make. Sometimes he'll talk about certain situations ... but he doesn't mess with you much on game day. Sometimes, he will come up to you and say stuff. A lot of times I've already seen it, but he's making sure that I've seen it. It's the job of a head coach to do that. He doesn't leave any stone unturned.”Mike Trgovac quote

If this is true then it gives me hope that Fox may pull the trigger and let him go. Sorenson made it sound like he is a Fox puppet, but he says he makes his own calls. If so then they are the wrong ones!!!

[engine9]

"Fitzgerald isn't so good that he needs dedicated coverage, I don't care what ANYone says."

[frash.exe]

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[AKPantherFan]

My best one was one I heard a couple years ago. I cant remember but it was something like;

"were not gonna beat teams with schemes, were gonna beat teams with sound fundamentals"

.....yeah.... rigggggght...

[Debil]

My best one was one I heard a couple years ago. I cant remember but it was something like;

"were not gonna beat teams with schemes, were gonna beat teams with sound fundamentals"

.....yeah.... rigggggght...

By "sound fundamentals", he means screaming at the receiver

[carpanfan96]

My best one was one I heard a couple years ago. I cant remember but it was something like;

"were not gonna beat teams with schemes, were gonna beat teams with sound fundamentals"

.....yeah.... rigggggght...

that's true, but if your scheme is absolutely horrible it will make you lose games even with sound fundamentals as we all saw.

[BlindSite]

I'm hesitant to jump on this bandwagon before I hear the other side.

Surely there are some who can offer reasons to keep him.

Defensive coordinators have a lot of trouble. Either you don't have enough pressure and passes are completed, or you blitz too much and you get beaten with checkdowns.

Questions are going to be asked of any DC after we got lit up like we did against the Cardinals.

Realistically though, the last few weeks of the season the DLine has been incredibly banged up and its been near impossible to keep the best four man front on the field possible for four quarters. Yeah, its his job to find adjustments for that, but if execution isn't there, through fatigue, inexperience, lack of talent, or the offense recognises what is happening then its a moot point.

Foxism stating that "the other team practices too" is very true. It really pertains to the other team doing their study. Teams know that when X player is in then Y alignment / play is likely and the great coaches adjust for this.

Trgovac isn't a great DC, and I'll get flamed for this, but he isn't a bad DC.

Sure Fitzgerald burned us, but on two seperate plays zone coverage was completely blown by linebackers and corners being in the wrong spot and in another two situations we missed tackles. In a few others the defensive line failed to get off their blocks and get pressure.

If on a play where your line gets no pressure, linebacker misses his zone, the corner fails to tackle the receiver, is it really the DC's fault when he's got the perfect play that will come off brilliantly if that linebacker just maintains his discipline, or that corner just lowers his shoulder that bit harder?

There's arguments for both, but this year the issue was defensive line execution, no interior pass rush and no good rotation at DT was the big issue this year. Blitzes are all well and good, but fox ball is about the Dline. I'd expect a DT early in the draft or FA this year.

[DaveThePanther2008]

Defensive coordinators have a lot of trouble. Either you don't have enough pressure and passes are completed, or you blitz too much and you get beaten with checkdowns.

Questions are going to be asked of any DC after we got lit up like we did against the Cardinals.

Realistically though, the last few weeks of the season the DLine has been incredibly banged up and its been near impossible to keep the best four man front on the field possible for four quarters. Yeah, its his job to find adjustments for that, but if execution isn't there, through fatigue, inexperience, lack of talent, or the offense recognises what is happening then its a moot point.

Foxism stating that "the other team practices too" is very true. It really pertains to the other team doing their study. Teams know that when X player is in then Y alignment / play is likely and the great coaches adjust for this.

Trgovac isn't a great DC, and I'll get flamed for this, but he isn't a bad DC.

Sure Fitzgerald burned us, but on two seperate plays zone coverage was completely blown by linebackers and corners being in the wrong spot and in another two situations we missed tackles. In a few others the defensive line failed to get off their blocks and get pressure.

If on a play where your line gets no pressure, linebacker misses his zone, the corner fails to tackle the receiver, is it really the DC's fault when he's got the perfect play that will come off brilliantly if that linebacker just maintains his discipline, or that corner just lowers his shoulder that bit harder?

There's arguments for both, but this year the issue was defensive line execution, no interior pass rush and no good rotation at DT was the big issue this year. Blitzes are all well and good, but fox ball is about the Dline. I'd expect a DT early in the draft or FA this year.

You make alot of good points but I don't really care much for his game planning in the 1st place. Someone mentioned it in the POST Game interview with John Fox about playing Fitzgerald the way we did in Arizona a couple of years ago. They pretty much shut him down. That wasn't even persued this time. WTF. Breston is good but between Fitz and Breston I will take making Breston beat us not Fitz.

Let's go back to the days when we had Jack Del Rio as our DC. He got more out of those players than Trgovac ever did. Trgovac has had much better talent. I think his "Schemes" are easy to beat and he makes no major adjustments.

If he really was that noticable he would have been tabbed as a Head Coach by now. Think it is around the league his philosophy is generic?

I won't be heartbroken if he is gone next season.

JMO

Go Panthers

[megadeth078]

My best one was one I heard a couple years ago. I cant remember but it was something like;

"were not gonna beat teams with schemes, were gonna beat teams with sound fundamentals"

.....yeah.... rigggggght...

I'm pretty sure the quote you're thinking of had something with him saying "We're not trying to outsmart the other team...."

[panthers55]

Defensive coordinators have a lot of trouble. Either you don't have enough pressure and passes are completed, or you blitz too much and you get beaten with checkdowns.

Questions are going to be asked of any DC after we got lit up like we did against the Cardinals.

Realistically though, the last few weeks of the season the DLine has been incredibly banged up and its been near impossible to keep the best four man front on the field possible for four quarters. Yeah, its his job to find adjustments for that, but if execution isn't there, through fatigue, inexperience, lack of talent, or the offense recognises what is happening then its a moot point.

Foxism stating that "the other team practices too" is very true. It really pertains to the other team doing their study. Teams know that when X player is in then Y alignment / play is likely and the great coaches adjust for this.

Trgovac isn't a great DC, and I'll get flamed for this, but he isn't a bad DC.

Sure Fitzgerald burned us, but on two seperate plays zone coverage was completely blown by linebackers and corners being in the wrong spot and in another two situations we missed tackles. In a few others the defensive line failed to get off their blocks and get pressure.

If on a play where your line gets no pressure, linebacker misses his zone, the corner fails to tackle the receiver, is it really the DC's fault when he's got the perfect play that will come off brilliantly if that linebacker just maintains his discipline, or that corner just lowers his shoulder that bit harder?

There's arguments for both, but this year the issue was defensive line execution, no interior pass rush and no good rotation at DT was the big issue this year. Blitzes are all well and good, but fox ball is about the Dline. I'd expect a DT early in the draft or FA this year.

Don't agree on several points. First of all our DTs were healthy for this game and we had our full rotation in place. What you said might be true against New York and New Orleans but not Arizona.

Secondly, if he can change his scheme to a man coverage and shut them down in the second half, why didn't we do it right away. Analysis of the first Arizona game and the new Orleans game should make it painfully clear that we weren't playing good zone coverage and had lots of blown coverages. Why would he think that all of a sudden we would fix that and it wouldn't be a problem against an all-pro receiver who has burned us repeatedly over the past few years. And DC worth their salt don't play coverages that their players suck in executing. How amny blown coverages do you need to see before you go to another scheme like man coverage with help over the top to ensure their is at least one if not 2 guys on the man. Especially Fitzgerald who they know if the only big time threat on their team.

And when he sees that Boldin doesn't play why not roll constant safety coverage to Fitz's side or use Gamble to cover him where ever he went. We made no adjustments when Fitzgerald lined up over Marshall for example where deep help comes from the linebacker. Why??

They could exploit our defense and found desirable matchups anytime they wanted. We played a vanilla straight up defnse with no new wrinkles or variations in the first half. it was child's play for them to call plays to do whatever they wanted since we didn't disguise or change anything.

What about D line pressure? Did you see many overloads, stunts or attempts to confuse Warner and disguise our looks? Go back and see how many times we put 6 or 7 guys on the line to confuse the offensive line blocking assignments in the first half. We did more of that in the second half and guess what happened? It worked! Why didn't we come out doing it??

That is the problem with Trgovac. He had 2 weeks to prepare and came out with a vanilla base look and coverage which fooled no one and got us abused. When he did make changes it was too little too late.

He IS a bad defensive coordinator who lacks imagination and make too few adjustments too late to make a difference. He blitzes out of desperation rather than design with almost never works at that point. You get beat with checkdowns for example when they know you are blitzing and make adjustments at the line. Teams that blitz successfully blitz when you don't expect it or like Philly jump the obvious checkdown routes and either take them away or intercept the ball. But again they play an aggressive man scheme not a weak passive zone like we do.

I will be hugely surprised if Fitzgerald burns them for 200 yards this week and they will have Boldin playing as well.

This week will give you a great chance to see some great defense and coordinators. 3 of the 4 teams left have the number 1, 2 and 3 ranked defenses in the league. Get back with on Monday and then tell me how Trgo isn't a bad coordinator.

[Debil]

Don't agree on several points. First of all our DTs were healthy for this game and we had our full rotation in place. What you said might be true against New York and New Orleans but not Arizona.

Secondly, if he can change his scheme to a man coverage and shut them down in the second half, why didn't we do it right away. Analysis of the first Arizona game and the new Orleans game should make it painfully clear that we weren't playing good zone coverage and had lots of blown coverages. Why would he think that all of a sudden we would fix that and it wouldn't be a problem against an all-pro receiver who has burned us repeatedly over the past few years. And DC worth their salt don't play coverages that their players suck in executing. How amny blown coverages do you need to see before you go to another scheme like man coverage with help over the top to ensure their is at least one if not 2 guys on the man. Especially Fitzgerald who they know if the only big time threat on their team.

And when he sees that Boldin doesn't play why not roll constant safety coverage to Fitz's side or use Gamble to cover him where ever he went. We made no adjustments when Fitzgerald lined up over Marshall for example where deep help comes from the linebacker. Why??

They could exploit our defense and found desirable matchups anytime they wanted. We played a vanilla straight up defnse with no new wrinkles or variations in the first half. it was child's play for them to call plays to do whatever they wanted since we didn't disguise or change anything.

What about D line pressure? Did you see many overloads, stunts or attempts to confuse Warner and disguise our looks? Go back and see how many times we put 6 or 7 guys on the line to confuse the offensive line blocking assignments in the first half. We did more of that in the second half and guess what happened? It worked! Why didn't we come out doing it??

That is the problem with Trgovac. He had 2 weeks to prepare and came out with a vanilla base look and coverage which fooled no one and got us abused. When he did make changes it was too little too late.

He IS a bad defensive coordinator who lacks imagination and make too few adjustments too late to make a difference. He blitzes out of desperation rather than design with almost never works at that point. You get beat with checkdowns for example when they know you are blitzing and make adjustments at the line. Teams that blitz successfully blitz when you don't expect it or like Philly jump the obvious checkdown routes and either take them away or intercept the ball. But again they play an aggressive man scheme not a weak passive zone like we do.

I will be hugely surprised if Fitzgerald burns them for 200 yards this week and they will have Boldin playing as well.

This week will give you a great chance to see some great defense and coordinators. 3 of the 4 teams left have the number 1, 2 and 3 ranked defenses in the league. Get back with on Monday and then tell me how Trgo isn't a bad coordinator.

Preach it, brotha!

I think the proof will be in the pudding after the Philly/AZ game. Even if Philly gets beat, it won't be because of a stupid defensive game plan.