SB Nation Bloggers Draft

[C47]

I thought we agreed to disagree on this one? 

 

I'm explaining why I'm ignoring your point of view. Like I said, if you want to discuss points of value I'm all ears.

[LinvilleGorge]

Okay, didn't realize you were the authority on points of value.  My bad.

[C47]

You're right, DJ, Colbert and Mike Williams busted so no WR in the history of USC will ever succeed again. You happy?

 

 

[LinvilleGorge]

[C47]

 

I know Tom, it really is a terrible argument isn't it...

[LinvilleGorge]

When you have to put words in others' mouths, your argument isn't very strong.  Hell, you don't have an argument.  You're being purely dismissive.  That's being intellectually dishonest.

 

But, continue with your juvenility.  My only regret is allowing you to drag me down to your level.  I apologize to the other Huddlers who actually read through that drivel.  My bad.

[Gin and Juice]

I don't care what school Lee comes from, if Ricky co-signs on Lee then that is more than enough to make me comfortable with the pick

[LinvilleGorge]

Agree on Proehl.  Having him to help in the evaluation process automatically makes me a lot more comfortable with whoever we may draft at WR.

[nctarheel0619]

Because Lee is nothing like those other two guys maybe...

Yeah that maybe is just enough not to take him. Just saying.

[C47]

Yeah that maybe is just enough not to take him. Just saying.

 

I'm done with this argument. You have a very flawed and ignorant point that you're trying to use to degrade a special talent in this Draft. Like I said, if you can't see that each guy is different then that's a you problem. Lee has an incredible work ethic, great route running, good hands, explosive ability and a desire to be great. Are there some things he needs to work on? Yea absolutely, but we would be very lucky to have him on the board at 28, and would be very foolish to not select him. Call me a homer all you want if it makes you feel better, but this kid is going to be very very good (just like OBJ who I like better btw). 

[uscgamecocks]

I'm not even close to being a Southern Cal fan.

The idea that being a SoCal receiver is a reason not to draft Lee just strikes me as lazy analysis. There are holes to poke in Lee's game for sure but the colors he wore should be irrelevant at this point.

The Trojan WRs that busted in the NFL all came from Pete Carroll's teams. Those teams were stacked with 5* recruits at every position and cake walked through college football for a decade. Then the playing field was leveled - after Carroll left, the sanctions, etc. The PAC caught up to the Trojans under Kiffin and no longer do their players enjoy an immense talent advantage at nearly every position. Those Trojan offensive lines made their QBs and WRs look much better than they were.

Lee made his name under a different coach and staff and should be evaluated in that context. Mike Williams has literally nothing to do with Lee. Robert Woods is a much more valid precedent and he did pretty well in his rookie season.

Another example, in my opinion, is the Alabama RB position. Alabama teams have enjoyed a significant advantage on the O-Line for the past five years in nearly every game they have played. As such, their RBs regularly get 3-5 yards downfield before having to think about a defensive player. Those RBs have underperformed in the NFL where the playing field is more level, the holes are smaller, and the linebackers are bigger and faster. For that reason I would be wary of drafting a Bama RB - though Lacy did look pretty good last year. But I don't think that should be held against a Bama RB ten years from now - after Saban has moved on and Bama's recruiting has fallen off.

[nctarheel0619]

I'm not even close to being a Southern Cal fan.

The idea that being a SoCal receiver is a reason not to draft Lee just strikes me as lazy analysis. There are holes to poke in Lee's game for sure but the colors he wore should be irrelevant at this point.

The Trojan WRs that busted in the NFL all came from Pete Carroll's teams. Those teams were stacked with 5* recruits at every position and cake walked through college football for a decade. Then the playing field was leveled - after Carroll left, the sanctions, etc. The PAC caught up to the Trojans under Kiffin and no longer do their players enjoy an immense talent advantage at nearly every position. Those Trojan offensive lines made their QBs and WRs look much better than they were.

Lee made his name under a different coach and staff and should be evaluated in that context. Mike Williams has literally nothing to do with Lee. Robert Woods is a much more valid precedent and he did pretty well in his rookie season.

Another example, in my opinion, is the Alabama RB position. Alabama teams have enjoyed a significant advantage on the O-Line for the past five years in nearly every game they have played. As such, their RBs regularly get 3-5 yards downfield before having to think about a defensive player. Those RBs have underperformed in the NFL where the playing field is more level, the holes are smaller, and the linebackers are bigger and faster. For that reason I would be wary of drafting a Bama RB - though Lacy did look pretty good last year. But I don't think that should be held against a Bama RB ten years from now - after Saban has moved on and Bama's recruiting has fallen off.

Okay, if the fuger (Lee) sucks and we take him what will you say then?  That's my point, there is a higher probability of him sucking then working out.  If hes good, that's fine.  I'll admit I'm wrong and eat my crow.  I have zero problems admitting I'm wrong, unlike a lot of people on here.  But there are better receivers that will be on the board at pick 28, and lets be honest, Lee could fall to the 2nd round in my opinion.  We have a huge need on the OL to address too.  

[C47]

Okay, if the fuger (Lee) sucks and we take him what will you say then?  That's my point, there is a higher probability of him sucking then working out.  If hes good, that's fine.  I'll admit I'm wrong and eat my crow.  I have zero problems admitting I'm wrong, unlike a lot of people on here.  But there are better receivers that will be on the board at pick 28, and lets be honest, Lee could fall to the 2nd round in my opinion.  We have a huge need on the OL to address too.  

 

What do you have to support this? Just that flawed baseless comparison that has zero merit. You realize Lee and Woods aren't even the same type of Receivers as those other guys right? The closest comparison you could draw to a Pete Carroll WR is the other Steve Smith but both of them are more explosive, stronger and better route runners then he was...

[uscgamecocks]

Okay, if the fuger (Lee) sucks and we take him what will you say then? That's my point, there is a higher probability of him sucking then working out. If hes good, that's fine. I'll admit I'm wrong and eat my crow. I have zero problems admitting I'm wrong, unlike a lot of people on here. But there are better receivers that will be on the board at pick 28, and lets be honest, Lee could fall to the 2nd round in my opinion. We have a huge need on the OL to address too.

I think Lee has the same probability of busting as any other prospect. Frankly, any talented WR we draft early is walking into a great situation and should be successful to some degree. Cam as a QB, plenty of opportunity, and DG will absolutely make the OL a strength over the next one to two years. It's in his DNA.

We clearly have different rankings on WR prospects which is to be expected. Personally, I rank them as follows: Watkins, Evans, OBJ and Lee (tied), Cooks and Matthews (tied). Those are the only guys I would draft in the first round. But it's all subjective and I'm certainly no scout or NFL coach. Just a guy with an opinion.

And I'm with you on needing O line help. I think OT is our most likely pick in the first. I worry that we won't get a potential #1 receiver at pick 60 but the same can be said for tackle. I'm hoping we can somehow get two picks in the top 45 and address LT and WR. Maybe Moses and Matthews - that would be ideal.