We Have More Cap Space Than You Think

[Udogg]

Cutting him June 1 causes a $4m hit ($3.2m signing bonus + $800k restructure bonus) which saves $2m.

As for next year you're not figuring in the $1m option bonus he's due next off-season that - assuming he's cut - he'll never see.

So, instead of a $300k loss next year it's actually a $700k gain. Either way, not sure you find a suitable replacement for the amount saved.

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So basically it would cost us 3 million dollars over the next 2 years to keep him.............

 

 

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[bleys]

Cam's cap hits aren't likely to show 18mil hits per year right away..  It's likely he'll hit 8-15 through his 1st 2-3 years...    And if he really wants to help his legacy and be that entertainer/icon he'll go easy on his team so they have the cap space to build around him...

 

but there's a lot of dead money (or extremely misplaced) that should be able to sign Cam, Kuechly, and Star...  And then high cap hits will start rotating out on other players not earning their keep towards a better youthful nucleus taking up the cap...

 

the key to everything is Gettleman has to hit on picks and find players to restock the roster every few years so we aren't paying massive contracts at every position..  

[Carolina Crazy V2]

Cam's cap hits aren't likely to show 18mil hits per year right away..  It's likely he'll hit 8-15 through his 1st 2-3 years...    And if he really wants to help his legacy and be that entertainer/icon he'll go easy on his team so they have the cap space to build around him...

 

but there's a lot of dead money (or extremely misplaced) that should be able to sign Cam, Kuechly, and Star...  And then high cap hits will start rotating out on other players not earning their keep towards a better youthful nucleus taking up the cap...

 

the key to everything is Gettleman has to hit on picks and find players to restock the roster every few years so we aren't paying massive contracts at every position..  

 

I'd love for Cam to give us a Brady-esque discount, but I'm not gonna count on it. Considering all of his endorsements, I could see him taking a $17M average at the lowest and I would be happy with that. 

 

As you touched on, he likely won't hit our cap harder than $15M until the third year of his contract and by then, the league cap will be high enough to allow us to recover from Marty Hurney's terrible doings.

[bleys]

I'd love for Cam to give us a Brady-esque discount, but I'm not gonna count on it. Considering all of his endorsements, I could see him taking a $17M average at the lowest and I would be happy with that. 

 

As you touched on, he likely won't hit our cap harder than $15M until the third year of his contract and by then, the league cap will be high enough to allow us to recover from Marty Hurney's terrible doings.

 

I'm not counting on it and if he doesn't then this affects me none as I have nothing to gain...  But it will affect Cam and his team, and I believe he's aware enough to realize every benefit he gives his team directly influences himself.  That doesn't mean he'll make a wise choice but I agree, anywhere around 17mil is year is already a pretty decent discount on what he could ask for...

[Udogg]

Don't hold your breaths for a discount.  Especially since we just picked up the 5th year option.  

[Thorrez]

Resigning Hardy long-term would likely give us ~$12.5M in 2014 Cap Space.

$12.5M in Cap Space sounds very nice right now. It would give us plenty of room to sign our rookies and begin looking forward to extending Cam.

Cheers.

No, it will not.

Let assume Hardy gets 5 years, $60M with $40M guaranteed.

1. Hardy wants his payday now, that means at least $14M signing bonus and base salary (as he is set to make that regardless). $1M base means a third of $13 counts against the 2014 cap. So lowest possible figure 2014 is $3.7M

2. This low signing bonus would have to be compensated with $10M plus guaranteed money in year two and three and almost that in year for.

3. This makes him uncutable, and we all know what it feels like to have those kinds of contacts for no longer producing or hurt players (which is always a risk)

4. I the end the total cost of $60M is the same, trying to get the first years salary down is just fooling yourself and most likely ending up with no player and a lot of dead money after 3-4 years.

[Carolina Crazy V2]

No, it will not.

Let assume Hardy gets 5 years, $60M with $40M guaranteed.

1. Hardy wants his payday now, that means at least $14M signing bonus and base salary (as he is set to make that regardless). $1M base means a third of $13 counts against the 2014 cap. So lowest possible figure 2014 is $3.7M

2. This low signing bonus would have to be compensated with $10M plus guaranteed money in year two and three and almost that in year for.

3. This makes him uncutable, and we all know what it feels like to have those kinds of contacts for no longer producing or hurt players (which is always a risk)

4. I the end the total cost of $60M is the same, trying to get the first years salary down is just fooling yourself and most likely ending up with no player and a lot of dead money after 3-4 years.

 

Hardy isn't going to get his contract frontloaded. It makes no financial sense. We'll give him guaranteed money, but with the cap rising to the projected levels, his contract will be backloaded and I'd bet on that. 

 

 

Also, I'm not sure if you realized this, but giving him a frontloaded contract won't make it easier for us to dump him later on. In fact, it would penalize us more so. 

 

By giving him his bulk salary years early, we are going to leave ourselves with little cap carryover, which will deplete our future salary in an equivalent manner to just pushing off his bulk salary until then. If we backload his contract, at least we could cut him and still save a solid bit of unguaranteed money, whereas in the case of a frontloaded contract, that unguaranteed money would already have been spent and still be counting against our cap. 

[panfan32]

Cant say they are going to cut Godfrey at this point. Godfrey Played CB in College and was drafted as a CB and converted to FS. I think right now it is more likely they will try him at CB or even at the Nickle CB slot for a reduced price in his salary.

 

[Peppers90 NC]

at this point, probably keep a good chunk for carry-over for next season.  sucks Gross still counts against cap although volunteeringly retired

[csx]

at this point, probably keep a good chunk for carry-over for next season.  sucks Gross still counts against cap although volunteeringly retired

 

Well, you certainly can't make money that's already been paid disappear from the cap because somebody retired. Guaranteed is guaranteed.

[iamhubby1]

Then Williams a June 1 and just cut Godfrey. Godfrey is easy savings as just a standard cut

Some times, not always, but some times. You make me smile. Thanks for that.

 

Cam's cap hits aren't likely to show 18mil hits per year right away..  It's likely he'll hit 8-15 through his 1st 2-3 years...    And if he really wants to help his legacy and be that entertainer/icon he'll go easy on his team so they have the cap space to build around him...

 

but there's a lot of dead money (or extremely misplaced) that should be able to sign Cam, Kuechly, and Star...  And then high cap hits will start rotating out on other players not earning their keep towards a better youthful nucleus taking up the cap...

 

the key to everything is Gettleman has to hit on picks and find players to restock the roster every few years so we aren't paying massive contracts at every position..

The key is absolutely hitting the draft well. You can keep your team well stocked. Allowing you to not only draft BPA, but decide which players get those bigger second contracts. I think we hit the jackpot with Rivera and Gman. They are two peas in a pod. This franchise is in a good place. And in good hands.

If he thinks you can improve this team, Gman will offer you fair market value. If you want to be a Panther? Sign on the dotted line. And the way he has filled in the back half of the roster, he is pretty good at finding bang for buck kinda guyz. Which is essential, along with drafting well, to being successful, and sustaining that success.

Now...Give him another year. When hurndogmagic is pretty much off the books. Then we get to find out who he really is. Who is he willing to pay? Where does he invest his resources? As of now? Gman gotz this. Can't wait to see what he can do with dollars, instead of the pennies he has now.

[bleys]

Some times, not always, but some times. You make me smile. Thanks for that.

 

The key is absolutely hitting the draft well. You can keep your team well stocked. Allowing you to not only draft BPA, but decide which players get those bigger second contracts. I think we hit the jackpot with Rivera and Gman. They are two peas in a pod. This franchise is in a good place. And in good hands.

If he thinks you can improve this team, Gman will offer you fair market value. If you want to be a Panther? Sign on the dotted line. And the way he has filled in the back half of the roster, he is pretty good at finding bang for buck kinda guyz. Which is essential, along with drafting well, to being successful, and sustaining that success.

Now...Give him another year. When hurndogmagic is pretty much off the books. Then we get to find out who he really is. Who is he willing to pay? Where does he invest his resources? As of now? Gman gotz this. Can't wait to see what he can do with dollars, instead of the pennies he has now.

 

It's tough to win in the NFL.  I agree, I think if we ever become one of only a handful of teams that actually have a realistic opportunity to win a SB and compete year in and year out, it'll be with a GM who can locate talent outside of the 1st round and a coach that can coach up new talent, annnnd let's say...  put 5 rookies out on defense and still have massive success...

 

I don't know what Rivera is going to do with Shula but if we have players that can execute I guess it won't matter either way... 

[rko396]

I hope u realize that "cap space" isnt just a number to zero-out before the start of the season. Every single free agent we bring in mid season counts against this.

So god forbid Thomas Davis gets injured again, the guy we sign counts against the cap. The guy we sign to replace a random LG that gets hurt in preseason counts against the cap, etc. not to mention our draft will cost a few mill. So no, we dont have "more cap then u think"

And thats not counting Cam and Luke's amazingly high deals they could sign any day

[firefox1234]

Grinds my gears knowing we overpaid for our RBs and Godfrey...