Would Gettleman have drafted Cam?

[AceBoogie]

I suspect without Mike Zimmer running it, you're gonna see that defense look far more average this year.

You can say that about a lot of teams. And players.

[Frizzy350]

Okie here we go. Cam would have been the number 1 pick for any team with ANY semblance of desire to improve their qb position. 1. Nobody has single handedly carried an average NCAA team to a national championship through the SEC (at least as long as I can remember). 2. Undeniable freak athlete. Tall, muscular, fast, wide array of open field moves, durable and strong as a bull. Has about as strong an arm you can get. 3. As raw as lindsey lohan's vag as a pro pocket passer come the combine. HOWEVER, the level of improvement in this area between combine and pro day was unheard of. No he wasnt there yet, but he showed the ability to self scout, a desire to be successful at the next level and potential to reach his ceiling. 4. Only concerns that still linger after this weren't related to the field. Laptop incident is completely forgettable when the norm for problem athletes is sexual assault, domestic violence, DUIs, possession of drugs and firearms. All the garbage of cam being unable to comprehend nfl playbooks, lack of leadership, taking money from auburn, not being a leader and being an overall terrible person would have been quickly dissolved by any scout or gm who had a sit down with cams coaches, teammates, family or cam himself. Sent from my SPH-L710 using CarolinaHuddle mobile app

[FootballMaestro]

Didn't read through the thread, except for the OP's post. 

 

Nonetheless, I've said this many times in the past:

 

Cam was clearly the #1 QB in the draft and everyone knew this. 

 

All the pool and team scouting data backed this up (including his back ground checks). 

 

It was the media that made you think Cam wasn't the consensus #1 pick (though he was since early 2011). Even Mel Kiper admitted/said this early in the year (and he's not a pool or NFL analyst).

 

I heard the Buffalo GM speak about Cam in glowing terms (including his background checks), when a fan asked him about Cam as the number one/as well. 

 

Gettlemen would have drafted him. Who else would he had drafted. Gabbert had no pocket presence in college. And it was clear Cam did (along with his NFL throws that were successfully broken down). This gets lost on so many people. 

 

PS: I think the OP/Some of you take GMan's comments last year out of context, and are transferring your own feelings, white noise your heard "circa 2010, 2011" to what you think Gettleman must have felt. 

 

Silly question/post (though, "yes", I responded to it). 

 

[top dawg]

I don't know if Gettleman would have drafted Cam or not, and it's impossible to know.  I will say that I don't think that Gettleman was sold on Cam until this past season.  Indeed, G-man is hedging his bets for another year not only with Cam, but big time with Greg Hardy.

 

As to G-man's success, that remains to be seen. You really can't judge a GM based on one or two seasons. You have to give him time to work on his puzzle and vision. By all accounts, Star was a no-brainer. G-man made the choice to draft Short over Keenan Allen. I can live with that.  It left us without that coveted WR1 for another year, and we made it through fairly well. Now, this year, we'll see what he does to make the offensive picture more complete---thus, the team more complete.  What he does this time next year will tell us even more. 

[FootballMaestro]

I think he would have gone with Gabbert. More similar to his prototype, Eli. Gettleman is not as smart as you all think he's.

 

Cam is more similar to Eli in so many ways than Gabbert. 

 

Shows how much you know (respectfully speaking)!?

[MHS831]

Wasn't there a report he wanted Eifert too?

 

I did not hear that, but I heard he fell in love with Cam and was not concerned about the character stuff that was going around then.

 

[FootballMaestro]

O I believe he's sold on Cam now, but I don't believe that he was when he took the job, which is why he slow played the offense when he got here and why he's overhauling it now.

My point is that people should realize Gettleman has the benefit of a young core already in place before he arrived. He didn't have to start from scratch like most GM's do. Any new GM will tell you the hardest thing to do is find a qb. He not only inherited a great one, but also got Luke as well. The cap sucked, true but things could have been much worse for him. Who knows what he would have done with that #1 pick, because not every GM would have taken Cam.

 

Why wouldn't he take the job if he wasn't sold on Cam?

 

That would be stupid. And please don't call him desperate (or surprised) by the Panthers offer at the time. 

 

I think you're actually transferring your own beliefs to Gettleman. 

 

He was clear when he took the job, you needed a QB, and Gettleman said as much about Cam. Did you not here that? 

 

Remember: Football outsiders wrote an article at the beginning of the year, stating that the Panther job would be the best/most tantalizing job for an NFL head coach (due to under performance in wins vs great performance in stats) when Rivera had another poor start in 2013. And the main non stat reason they offered, was none other than Cam Newton. 

 

So all this was well known, besides what you may conjure up in your mind or try to extrapolate from GMan's comments (or non comments). Gettleman's not the warm, fuzzy and loquacious type. Panther fans have to understand that. 

 

Panthers fans, also need to make  distinctions between the white noise media, and players bigging up their own teammates vs actual working NFL people who know/knew Cam's the real deal. 

[MHS831]

Apparently, a lot.

 

One thing I remember from drafts past: Everytime we took a player that slid (Rae Carruth, Everette Brown, Rashard Anderson, Jimmy Clausen) the ultimate story just about always wound up being "and now we know why" :(

 

Not last year though.  Lotulelei was in contention for defensive rookie of the year.

 

It's funny you mentioning that Hurney was "shocked" when teams passed on Clausen.  By contrast, Gettleman absolutely knew the Jets were going to take Sheldon Richardson, and he was right.  Seems like Gettleman is better at predicting how the draft will fall and what other teams are likely to do.

 

And that's why you make a 'football guy' your GM, not a sports reporter.

 

Hurney avoided going after skill players (excluding RBs) like the plague. 

Interesting point about players dropping--never really thought about it, but it is true.  And Gettlemen knowing the Jets' move--I am not surprised.  It blows my mind that there are people who still defend Hurney and trash Gettlemen.   I blame high concentrations of lead in the drinking water in some areas in and around Charlotte. 

 

[footballisasport]

READ FIRST-This not a thread bashing Gettleman. This is not a thread praising Hurney.

It seems like in every thread many people love to continuously throw Hurney under the bus. The man deserved to be fired, but he also should get credit for bringing in the foundation of this football team that Gettleman has the opportunity to build upon. I'm talking about

Cam Newton

Luke Kuechly

Greg Hardy

Charles Johnson

Ryan Kalil

Greg Olsen

These are the guys along with Star, that Gettleman is building this football team around. So give the man some credit, he was terrible with contracts but he gave us and Gettleman an outstanding core to work with.

Now given what we've seen and heard from Gettleman, "the 7 second pause", "has to make plays from the pocket" and that's after Cam Newton set records in the NFL. Like he said after the season, Cam proved it. I don't believe he was 100% sold on Cam when he got here. He may have been 80 or even 90 but not 100%.

Cam had the potential to be this good, but there were legitimate concerns with him. Do you think Gettleman would have drafted him, or a Von Miller, Marcell Dareus?

 

Like the ones made up by those at ESPN/NFLN? 

 

Outside of over exaggerating every mistake Cam made, I didn't see any real legitimate concerns with him. 

 

Maybe Gentllemen might have been swayed to take Gabbert over Cam by those who simply ignored all of Blaine's red flags. 

 

From where I stand, those so called "legitimate concerns" aren't always real indicators of how well these players will or won't play the game. Thank God Hurney and Rivera ignored those bloviators in today's sports media, and went with their guts and own scouts when it came to Cam. 

 

[FootballMaestro]

Because he built the defense first?  Have you taken a look at how the organization with whom he spent 13 years prior to joining the Panthers built their Super Bowl teams?  If you have, then the template we're following should look familiar.

 

And the much talked about "seven second pause"?  Gettleman blasted the reporters who made a big deal of that and stated clearly that Newton is a franchise quarterback.  Pretty sure it was Joe Person who reported that story.  You really wanna base a theory around something he reported?

 

Basically, you have pretty much nothing to back up the notion that Gettleman wasn't sold on newton when he got here.  Believe it if you want to, but you've got zero evidence to prove it.

 

Yes, it was Joe Person. 

 

Other reporters were present, and never mentioned the pause to begin with. It was a non story to them. 

 

It was only until Person did (report it), that the ESPN day time types decided to run with it. Then it was picked upon by the morning, Sunday Game shows for fodder/filler. And the rest is "contrived media" history. 

 

Agree with your take on the OP, and his feelings on Cam/Gettledog, and the #1 pick as well. 

[Mr. Scot]

Hurney avoided going after skill players (excluding RBs) like the plague. 

Interesting point about players dropping--never really thought about it, but it is true.  And Gettlemen knowing the Jets' move--I am not surprised.  It blows my mind that there are people who still defend Hurney and trash Gettlemen.   I blame high concentrations of lead in the drinking water in some areas in and around Charlotte.

 

I blame the cutting of Steve Smith.

 

Fanbases of more successful teams have seen plenty of popular older players let go in their lifetime, even ones that could still contribute, for various reasons.  It's just a part of the business.

 

On the flip side, our fanbase is used to "loyalty" being the word of the day, even though it's been shown time and again that the kind of loyalty Marty Hurney practiced was hurting the team.

 

A girl who's spent years with an abusive boyfriend and then finds someone who treats her the right way sometimes still finds herself thinking maybe the old boyfriend was better.  That's what this fanbase makes me think of sometimes.

 

If you want to build a perennial contender in the NFL, you can't "think" with your emotions.

[FootballMaestro]

The answer is...most likely yes.

 

There were a lot of concerns about Cam coming out of college, a lot of them very real.  That said, if you don't have a QB (we didn't) you can't win consistently in this league.  DG knows this very well.  We had to draft a QB, and when you are looking at the QB's in that draft, Cam was the best pick.

 

Cam can do "more" than Gabbert could or ever can.  Cam could make plays on his own, that most QB's can't.  It was either Gabbert, Darius, Green, Von, PP, or Cam.  It wasn't that hard to make the call, even then.

 

I too was very nervous about Cam, there were just so many red flags, but it was the smart/best pick that we could have made.  DG would have made the same call...IMO.

 

Most of those concerns you (and other Panther fans had of Cam) were answered long before the draft by the pool and NFL scouting reports and team back ground checks. Trust me on that one.

 

It was never an issue (especially with Gabbert being so bad). They saw what Rivera, Hurney, Don Gregory, etc., saw. No mystery there (though its so hard for some of us to believe). 

 

All that stuff in the media that spooked you was just white noise for ratings, talk (and the occasional hater). 

[FootballMaestro]

Check out any draft analyst's big board from the time.

 

This is crazy talk/revisionist history. 

 

Cam was the consensus #1 pick on NFL draft boards by Feb, March 2011. And every one knew, even Mel Kiper had to admit this (cause/while the TV people weren't bantering on about Cam concerns). So I find this impossible to believe, unless you were just listening to media people doing there own thing; not NFL people, NFL knowledge based draft boards. 

 

Everyone "in the know" knew the Panthers were going to pick Cam #1, cause he was clearly the best player/had the best upside, and his back ground checks proved superb despite his earlier fau pua at Florida, and the alleged father/Mississippi shake down eventual non-story. 

[thefuzz]

Most of those concerns you (and other Panther fans had of Cam) were answered long before the draft by the pool and NFL scouting reports and team back ground checks. Trust me on that one.

 

It was never an issue (especially with Gabbert being so bad). They saw what Rivera, Hurney, Don Gregory, etc., saw. No mystery there (though its so hard for some of us to believe). 

 

All that stuff in the media that spooked you was just white noise for ratings, talk (and the occasional hater). 

 

 

Disagree completely.

 

I had questions about his time under center, his number of college D1 starts, his footowork, and his accuracy.

 

I didn't care about icon and entertainer, fake smile, pay for play, and for that matter the computer...I had questions about him being able to come in and compete and play from day 1.  What you need the no. 1 overall pick to do.

 

Wasn't being a hater, racist, or airbag.