Would Gettleman have drafted Cam?

[AceBoogie]

Hey guys I'm not gonna bash gettleman and not praising hurney but hurney put these 6 players on the team and gettleman didn't, and we don't need to talk about the other guys who are overpaid and draft mistakes that hurney made but I want to discuss this hypothetical scenario that I created and prove to you all that gettleman wouldn't have picked cam but I'm not alluding to my belief that one is superior over the other. Does that sum up the rules of this thread?

If you put a gun to my head and told me to pick one to build a team I would scream out Dave Gettleman. I did a dance in my drive way the day I found out Hurney was fired, even called my fiancée at work who cares 0 about football. Hurney deserved to be fired, but what he doesn't deserve is to be Dave Gettleman's scapegoat. Hurney was fired because he wasn't good at sustaining success, but we were 1-3 again under Gettleman until Ron Rivera got his poo together. I believe Gettleman will prove to be a better GM, but you're a fool if you don't think he walked into a good situation cap hell and all.

[Ken]

Well th article where he was saying he "thinks" cam can be the qb of the future but he isn't sold until Cam wins.

Lol what article is that. And what about when he said the team does have a franchise QB?

[MHS831]

Again which is why he was fired. I don't think Cam was a "safe" pick. He had/has a very high ceiling but he damn sure wasn't a safe pick. He wasn't Andrew Luck coming out of college. I don't think Luke was a "safe" pick or popular one with Beason on the roster. Luke didn't get to become Luuuuuuuuke until he was allowed back into his natural position due to Beason getting injured.

 

Rivera wanted Cam and was begging for him.  Before that--safe picks--LBs, RBs twice, OL, --even when we needed DTs and WRs.  Hurney had just watched his previously-drafted QB-the "Gem"- crash and burn the season before.  He really did not have too many options.

 

Hurney chose Clausen.  He even spent the night between rounds 1 and 2 on the phone with the Rams (33rd pick)  trying to trade up to get him.  Hurney said he knew that KC or Minnesota would take Clausen before we picked.  He was "shocked" when they both passed on him again in the second--2 teams that needed a QB desperately passed on Clausen in the first AND second round--the same player Hurney was trying to move up to get.  What did they know that Marty didn't?

[AceBoogie]

what does a new boss do when he comes into an organization or a company? He shows that he is the boss and that everyone has to prove themselves once again. He challenged Cam to take the the team over the hump. He challenged the team to win. Their were reports we were having a coaching search when we were 1-3. What happened after that and what did Cam do? He shined moreso than he had in his first two years minus the stats. The pressure mounted and he responded exactly how you would want a franchise qb to respond. that is exactly what good bosses do, they challenge their employees to be great.

I don't think people think about this the right way. And i don't wanna say that people think race is involved with this old fat man from Boston MA who is old school and Cam is very new school. But some of these posters are coming across very, very stupid, like that Thal poster. Gettleman prizes talented players. Do people honestly think that Gettleman does not think Cam is a once in a generation talent because of a stupid "seven second pause" that the dumbass Joe Person stated?

Gettleman has said time and time again that Hurney left him in a position most GM's dream of player wise, but the cap is a nightmare. Do i think that Gettleman would have picked Cam #1 overall? absolutely because Cam was far and away the best football player in that draft before, during and after. Do people not remember how amazing Cam was in college both with his legs and his arms? I'm of the firm belief that he was the greatest college football player of all time. He was a man amongst boys. And what has Gettleman said about cam's football smarts? I quote, "Cam is a very, very smart kid." Do you think none of this would have shined through during the pre-draft process? I do. And one last thing. When Gettleman first came here he said, "first you need a franchise qb, we have one."

a little bit of rambling but i have been preaching since Day 1 that Gettleman thought Cam was our guy.

This is why I post here. Here we have a guy opposed against my stance, but doesn't go full retard and makes a lot of good points.

[AceBoogie]

Rivera wanted Cam and was begging for him. Before that--safe picks--LBs, RBs twice, OL, --even when we needed DTs and WRs.

Wasn't there a report he wanted Eifert too?

[Thal]

You're really pushing hard for that "stupidest post" award aren't you?

You want the Top Five Dumbest Posts list all to yourself?

You and your personal attacks.

[Mr. Scot]

Well th article where he was saying he "thinks" cam can be the qb of the future but he isn't sold until Cam wins.

 

July 2013 (link)

 

"Cam has had the best two years of any rookie quarterback in NFL history. And everybody talks about the other young (quarterbacks),” Gettleman said at the Panthers’ training camp. “What he’s done has been completely lost in the sauce because of the elephant in the room – the 13-19 record. I’m a big believer in letting nature take its course. Things will happen naturally.”

 

Gettleman was asked whether Newton was the quarterback to build around.

 

After a pregnant, seven-second pause, Gettleman said: “Yes, he is. But now it’s time to win.”

 

January 2014 (link)

 

Carolina Panthers general manager Dave Gettleman said Cam Newton has proved he is a franchise quarterback.

 

But Gettleman wouldn't say whether the Panthers would attempt to negotiate a long-term deal with Newton, the first pick of the 2011 draft, or pick up a fifth-year option on his current contract.

 

"He proved it to me," Gettleman said Tuesday in his first public comments to the media since training camp. "He proved it this year. He flat proved it."

 

Prior to the season, Gettleman said it was time for Newton to win after 6-10 and 7-9 seasons. Asked if the former Heisman Trophy winner was his franchise quarterback after Carolina made its first trip to the playoffs since 2008, Gettleman didn't hesitate to say yes.

 

"No seven-second pause was there?" Gettleman said. "Yes, he is."

 

More recently. Gettleman stated the Panthers would indeed use the fifth year option on Newton to give them more time to get a long term deal worked out.

So where exactly are you getting the idea that he doesn't believe in him?

[Mr. Scot]

You and your personal attacks.

 

Did I call you stupid or did I say what you posted was stupid?

 

[Mr. Scot]

Wasn't there a report he wanted Eifert too?

 

Eifert was on the draft board, just like you'd expect him to be.  Lotulelei was above him.

 

Had Lotulelei not been available then Eifert would have been an option.

[teeray]

It is all speculation but based off of that draft I think the answer would have been no. I think we would have drafted the DT from Bama.

But he wasn't here so it doesn't matter and Hurney made a gutsy call that paid off and he deserves a lot of credit for that.

The wild card would have been Rivera. He seemed very high on Cam from the get go so he might of lobbied pretty hard for Cam.

[beastson]

Idk and I'm not going to sit here and act like I do. Rivera is the reason Cam is here

[Happy Panther]

The nfl is a pendulum, suck long enough the draft picks will materialize. Any gm can just wait for that to happen and hope he doesn't get fired by then. Good GMs excel in free agency and is all about winning now. Bad GMs build through the draft.

Our cap wasn't that bad entering the off season. The move gettleman made put us in cap hell. There is no proof that the only side of the ball we can put money on was the defense. Maybe smith and Nicks was the better direction than 13mil to Hardy. Hardy is not that feared throughout the league.

Nearly every sentence you typed is false

[Cpt slay a ho]

we'd probably have gabbert right about now........

[Gabeking]

Can we not make this a bash thread please. I don't want this thread to turn into bashing Hurney or Gettleman. Gettleman still has time to get things done, and until I see how things play out I'm done bashing him. Hurney is gone and bashing him won't do any good, he left us in a bad situation financially, but any GM will tell you he left a damn good core.

The question I feel is very legitimate, go back to before that draft and not everyone was as sold on Cam as they are today, including many Huddlers. We all see that Gettleman clearly has the patience to wait things out so there is no guarantee he would have drafted Cam just because we needed a qb.

Dude you're the king of gettlebashing, it's pretty much personal when it comes between you two. If you didn't want people to come in and start with the bashing maybe you 1. Shouldn't have the reputation of being one yourself and 2. Made your thread title a magnet for gettlebashers far and wide.