Would Gettleman have drafted Cam?

[MadHatter]

Given the questions around how ready Cam was to step in right away and Gett's emphasis on drafting guts early that are ready to contribute right away....he might not have. But, that us a big might....because he very well might have.

However, I believe he is 100% sold on Cam now and was when he took the job.

[Frizzy350]

I don't know if Gettleman would have drafted Cam or not, and it's impossible to know.  I will say that I don't think that Gettleman was sold on Cam until this past season.  Indeed, G-man is hedging his bets for another year not only with Cam, but big time with Greg Hardy.

 

As to G-man's success, that remains to be seen. You really can't judge a GM based on one or two seasons. You have to give him time to work on his puzzle and vision. By all accounts, Star was a no-brainer. G-man made the choice to draft Short over Keenan Allen. I can live with that.  It left us without that coveted WR1 for another year, and we made it through fairly well. Now, this year, we'll see what he does to make the offensive picture more complete---thus, the team more complete.  What he does this time next year will tell us even more. 

 

Sucks to not have Keenan but I think this year is a safer draft to target wideouts.  There are just so many guys with a variety of traits.  It's almost to the point where I'd be pretty happy with just about any of them.  Cooks, OBJ, KB, Landry, Adams, Moncrief, Robinson, Lee, Latimer, Matthews...the list could go on...

 

I don't think anyone will say Short was a bad pick by any means.  Short made quite a few nice plays and seemed able to consistently get some form of pressure even in his rotational role.  The interior of our Dline is set for a long time which allows Kuechly to continue to murder people at will (in hypothetical Gregg Williams speak, of course).

[The Huddler]

IDK, BUT I KNOW HE KNOWS CAMS VALUE AND FAPS EVERY MORNING JUST LIKE I DO KNOWING HE HAS CAM.

/thread

[CelibatePimp]

IDK, BUT I KNOW HE KNOWS CAMS VALUE AND FAPS EVERY MORNING JUST LIKE I DO KNOWING HE HAS CAM.

/thread

 

joint fap sessions?

[The Huddler]

joint fap sessions?

As long as I have booze

[Hammerin'Cameron34]

Lol Cam was the biggest physical freak of nature in the draft and deserved to go #1 solely on that alone. Gettleman would have took him. Imagine if he went to the Bills, Panther fans. Then remember he is on the Panthers instaboner...

[FootballMaestro]

I agree with your points with the media but that doesn't mean you can dismiss the major question marks he had at the time. I really doubt most of the real NFL people and scouting services had Cam as a clear number 1. If you could provide me with a source of this that would be great but it sounds like you put those words in their mouth. No one really wanted the number 1 pick that year because there wasn't a clear number 1.

 

He was an above average thrower but what made him special was his size and athletic ability.

He only played 1 year of real college ball.

He ran the spread offense 

Character concerns at the time

Did he have the mental abilities to be a great NFL QB

 

I am glad everything worked out because he passed all those test with flying colors but concerns back then were great. I don't think many people were actually comfortable with Cam being number 1. 

 

I addressed these points before. Please read my previous threads. 

 

Stop taking MEDIA analysis, and making it NFL analysis. The two are totally different. 

 

As I said; even Mel Kiper (who's not an NFL person) mentioned in March 2011 or so, that Cam Newton was the #1 pick while the media was going on and on with their TV created hysteria, right up to the draft. 

 

The reason why? It was all those things you mentioned (his throwing, size, athletic ability), coupled with his work ethic, leadership, determination, break down of his film, interviews with his coaches/players, background checks, etc.

 

Once the background checks came in (which you never heard about from the media, of course at the time), Cam was the clear number one. This is because his biggest question marks (by media, the uninitiated, and seemingly by you) were clearly answered. Cam passed with flying colors. In actuality (whether unwittingly or not), it was a non story created by them, after all the research took place. 

 

Once again; stating "no one wanted the #1 pick that year", is just repeating a media lie. 

 

The Panthers were ecstatic they had the #1 pick that year when they realized what they had in Cam Newton. 

 

And so did the rest of the NFL when all the information came in (though they knew they were never going to get him). That's the large piece of the puzzle your missing, and can't seem to get over I see. 

 

I'm not sure you appreciate the level of research, insight, analysis and investigation the NFL and it's respective teams and pool services go into, and how well Cam Newton passed them. If you did, you would have never wrote what you did above. Most of those football and character questions were long answered, or proven to be outright lies or non stories by the time the draft rolled around. That's whats missing, never understood, which seems to cloud peoples judgment, perspective and vantage point.  

[panthers222]

I addressed these points before. Please read my previous threads. 

 

Stop taking MEDIA analysis, and making it NFL analysis. The two are totally different. 

 

As I said; even Mel Kiper (who's not an NFL person) mentioned in March 2011 or so, that Cam Newton was the #1 pick while the media was going on and on with their TV created hysteria, right up to the draft. 

 

The reason why? It was all those things you mentioned (his throwing, size, athletic ability), coupled with his work ethic, leadership, determination, break down of his film, interviews with his coaches/players, background checks, etc.

 

Once the background checks came in (which you never heard about from the media, of course at the time), Cam was the clear number one. This is because his biggest question marks (by media, the uninitiated, and seemingly by you) were clearly answered. Cam passed with flying colors. In actuality (whether unwittingly or not), it was a non story created by them, after all the research took place. 

 

Once again; stating "no one wanted the #1 pick that year", is just repeating a media lie. 

 

The Panthers were ecstatic they had the #1 pick that year when they realized what they had in Cam Newton. 

 

And so did the rest of the NFL when all the information came in (though they knew they were never going to get him). That's the large piece of the puzzle your missing, and can't seem to get over I see. 

 

I'm not sure you appreciate the level of research, insight, analysis and investigation the NFL and it's respective teams and pool services go into, and how well Cam Newton passed them. If you did, you would have never wrote what you did above. Most of those football and character questions were long answered, or proven to be outright lies or non stories by the time the draft rolled around. That's whats missing, never understood, which seems to cloud peoples judgment, perspective and vantage point.  

 

Ok if your not getting your info from the media how are you getting all that information? I just want to understand how you gathered all that information from a fan's perspective. Unless you had inside connections with other NFL teams and the panthers how do you exactly know all this?

 

Can you provide me for sources or how you came to the following?

 

No one wanted #1 pick was a lie --- Media said there was no interest for teams to move up in the draft but you say there was interest? How do you know this? Do you have proof that teams were calling to trade up to get Cam? 

 

How do you exactly know these background checks were all passed with flying colors? Did you administered them and look into every aspect of Cam's life? 

 

I am just trying to understand how you came to all these conclusion or are you simply making assumptions. 

[hepcat]

Who knows, and who cares?

[FootballMaestro]

I 

Ok if your not getting your info from the media how are you getting all that information? I just want to understand how you gathered all that information from a fan's perspective. Unless you had inside connections with other NFL teams and the panthers how do you exactly know all this?

 

Can you provide me for sources or how you came to the following?

 

No one wanted #1 pick was a lie --- Media said there was no interest for teams to move up in the draft but you say there was interest? How do you know this? Do you have proof that teams were calling to trade up to get Cam? 

 

How do you exactly know these background checks were all passed with flying colors? Did you administered them and look into every aspect of Cam's life? 

 

I am just trying to understand how you came to all these conclusion or are you simply making assumptions. 

Sigh.

 

I can tell you don't read (or comprehend), or didn't read or re-read my post above (particularly to Fuzz) as suggested. 

 

As I said: I read some of those scouting reports and articles referencing them, along with the investigations that were in them MYSELF (with out going back into the detail I did above). Go read it. 

 

If you didn't know already, the Panthers talked about a lot of the research, break down of film, investigations, interviews and background checks that Cam passed with flying colors by them. And this was backed up by other pool and investigative research and articles. I even mentioned some of them, and or the NFL Executives (Buffalo for example), when asked about Cam Newton at the time, off the cuff (he backed the investigations up, and dismissed any concerns about Cam Newton's character or NFL ability when asked by a fan). 

 

I would have thought all interested Panthers fans would have known this stuff by now. It's not a big secret. 

 

I repeat: What you call questions, were long answered by Cam's break down of film (every Snap in his collegiate career, especially at Auburn), interviews with his coaches (and even their wives, including their KIDS impression of Cam, particularly at Juco/in Texas) and players (from high school, to Florida, To Juco, To Auburn). They Panthers also discovered: The overwhelming majority of his runs were called runs at Auburn, not scrambles; realizing he had discipline. They saw he could make every pro throw; seeing he had pocket presences, etc.. They realized Malzahns offense wasn't as simple as some thought (while knowing other high or #1 picks/QB's didn't come out of traditional offenses either). The Panthers stated all this, not me or my interpretation; much of it to Observer reporters after the draft. I can go on and on. But it's too much. Trust me. 

 

Once again: I talked about the Panther and scouting findings earlier in this thread. Please go read, comprehend them. The Panther investigators even interviewed the director of the mentoring Program for young boys that Cam frequently spoke at while at Auburn ("was he one time; did he ever not show up, how did the kids respond to him", etc.)? And he passed her recollections with flying colors as well. I read some of her quotes, and saw some of her interviews regarding Cam. She loved him to! So by the start, end (when ever), there were no character issues. What you're asking me, is well known by Many Panther and especially Auburn fans (the entire known vs unknown questions regarding Cam, on and off the field), especially after the draft. It's no big secret (at least to those who listened, or wanted to know). 

 

As I said: Go back and read my exchange with Fuzz, who started from a similar premise as you. 

 

OK, I'll take the bait (Sigh again)/For Starters: Besides the extensive post draft articles and interviews that Rivera discussed, mentioning The Drafting Of Cam Newton, that you should have read already: The Miami Herald, had a excellent draft series. They were tied into various scouting services. These articles were extensive (pages long), with Film break down discussion and extensive background checks info. Not the type of stuff you would associate with ANY newspaper. Mind you, these articles were published BEFORE THE 2011 DRAFT IN APRIL. And what was written in these articles (with the back ground check, investigative research, etc. included) echoed the same conclusions that Rivera stated (Interviewing Cam's Juco coaches wife, and her  young child's impression of Cam, who she loved Cam by the way, etc.) after the draft.

 

The level of research on him was Crazy! And every one of these reports I read, the author came to the conclusion that everyone loved Cam (from his high school teammates and coaches, including everyone in between; including his Juco coaches wife and child's impression of him, up to Auburn--including that Director of that Boys Program he spoke/mentored at). He was never late by the way. They seemingly spoke to everybody who ever met Cam, including many of his classmates at Auburn who didn't even know [but observed him] during class!! 

[teeray]

Ok if your not getting your info from the media how are you getting all that information? I just want to understand how you gathered all that information from a fan's perspective. Unless you had inside connections with other NFL teams and the panthers how do you exactly know all this?

 

Can you provide me for sources or how you came to the following?

 

No one wanted #1 pick was a lie --- Media said there was no interest for teams to move up in the draft but you say there was interest? How do you know this? Do you have proof that teams were calling to trade up to get Cam? 

 

How do you exactly know these background checks were all passed with flying colors? Did you administered them and look into every aspect of Cam's life? 

 

I am just trying to understand how you came to all these conclusion or are you simply making assumptions. 

 

Well for one Tony Pauline said:

 

 

- Last week in San Antonio at least six different teams said they rank Auburn quarterback Cam Newton as the number one prospect in the draft.  The opinions were comprised from scouts, personnel directors and a few coaches.  All had Newton rated clearly higher than Da’Quan Bowers, Nick Fairley, Marcel Dareus and competing signal caller Blaine Gabbert.  We hear the Miami Dolphins have been inquiring heavily into Newton at this stage of the game.

 

http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/?p=4627

 

 

So that is at least six NFL scouting departments that had their big board very different from the TV/internet big boards.

 

That wasn't #1 QB, but the best overall prospect in the draft.

 

Most of the other crap was just media white noise

[FootballMaestro]

Well for one Tony Pauline said:

 

 

 

So that is at least six NFL scouting departments that had their big board very different from the TV/internet big boards.

 

That wasn't #1 QB, but the best overall prospect in the draft.

 

Most of the other crap was just media white noise

 

Bingo!

 

And by the time the draft rolled around, they all did/would have. 

 

Once you did the research, it wasn't that hard to draw that conclusion. 

 

Like you said: Many here have a hard time separating the media white noise (and/or their own feelings or anxieties), from the actual reality. 

 

[panthers222]

I 

Sigh.

 

I can tell you don't read (or comprehend), or didn't read or re-read my post above (particularly to Fuzz) as suggested. 

 

As I said: I read some of those scouting reports and articles referencing them, along with the investigations that were in them MYSELF (with out going back into the detail I did above). Go read it. 

 

If you didn't know already, the Panthers talked about a lot of the research, break down of film, investigations, interviews and background checks that Cam passed with flying colors by them. And this was backed up by other pool and investigative research and articles. I even mentioned some of them, and or the NFL Executives (Buffalo for example), when asked about Cam Newton at the time, off the cuff (he backed the investigations up, and dismissed any concerns about Cam Newton's character or NFL ability when asked by a fan). 

 

I would have thought all interested Panthers fans would have known this stuff by now. It's not a big secret. 

 

I repeat: What you call questions, were long answered by Cam's break down of film (every Snap in his collegiate career, especially at Auburn), interviews with his coaches (and even their wives, including their KIDS impression of Cam, particularly at Juco/in Texas) and players (from high school, to Florida, To Juco, To Auburn). They Panthers also discovered: The overwhelming majority of his runs were called runs at Auburn, not scrambles; realizing he had discipline. They saw he could make every pro throw; seeing he had pocket presences, etc.. They realized Malzahns offense wasn't as simple as some thought (while knowing other high or #1 picks/QB's didn't come out of traditional offenses either). The Panthers stated all this, not me or my interpretation; much of it to Observer reporters after the draft. I can go on and on. But it's too much. Trust me. 

 

Once again: I talked about the Panther and scouting findings earlier in this thread. Please go read, comprehend them. The Panther investigators even interviewed the director of the mentoring Program for young boys that Cam frequently spoke at while at Auburn ("was he one time; did he ever not show up, how did the kids respond to him", etc.)? And he passed her recollections with flying colors as well. I read some of her quotes, and saw some of her interviews regarding Cam. She loved him to! So by the start, end (when ever), there were no character issues. What you're asking me, is well known by Many Panther and especially Auburn fans (the entire known vs unknown questions regarding Cam, on and off the field), especially after the draft. It's no big secret (at least to those who listened, or wanted to know). 

 

As I said: Go back and read my exchange with Fuzz, who started from a similar premise as you. 

 

OK, I'll take the bait (Sigh again)/For Starters: Besides the extensive post draft articles and interviews that Rivera discussed, mentioning The Drafting Of Cam Newton, that you should have read already: The Miami Herald, had a excellent draft series. They were tied into various scouting services. These articles were extensive (pages long), with Film break down discussion and extensive background checks info. Not the type of stuff you would associate with ANY newspaper. Mind you, these articles were published BEFORE THE 2011 DRAFT IN APRIL. And what was written in these articles (with the back ground check, investigative research, etc. included) echoed the same conclusions that Rivera stated (Interviewing Cam's Juco coaches wife, and her  young child's impression of Cam, who she loved Cam by the way, etc.) after the draft.

 

The level of research on him was Crazy! And every one of these reports I read, the author came to the conclusion that everyone loved Cam (from his high school teammates and coaches, including everyone in between; including his Juco coaches wife and child's impression of him, up to Auburn--including that Director of that Boys Program he spoke/mentored at). He was never late by the way. They seemingly spoke to everybody who ever met Cam, including many of his classmates at Auburn who didn't even know [but observed him] during class!! 

 

O wow thanks for the info. Ya i didn't read the previous posts. I did not realize how wrong media outlets had it. 

[iamhubby1]

I think Gettleman is The Chesapeake Ripper. or maybe it's Hurney. I just don't know anymore!!!! get outta my head!!!!

See. You can be cute and adorable without having to post gifs. Let that personality shine on through.

Not sure myself whether Gman is a Super Hero, or a Super Villain? All I care is that he continue using his powerz to aid us.

 

 

That doesn't win SBs. Moral victory, yes.

Hard work and overachieving will get you closer to that SB, than you will get with underperforming and apathy.

 

Rivera wanted Cam and was begging for him.  Before that--safe picks--LBs, RBs twice, OL, --even when we needed DTs and WRs.  Hurney had just watched his previously-drafted QB-the "Gem"- crash and burn the season before.  He really did not have too many options.

 

Hurney chose Clausen.  He even spent the night between rounds 1 and 2 on the phone with the Rams (33rd pick)  trying to trade up to get him.  Hurney said he knew that KC or Minnesota would take Clausen before we picked.  He was "shocked" when they both passed on him again in the second--2 teams that needed a QB desperately passed on Clausen in the first AND second round--the same player Hurney was trying to move up to get.  What did they know that Marty didn't?

I once was wrong. Truly. No silly tangent. Well, Hurnog was cool. Glad he is gone. Glad we have a "Football Guy" in charge.

ND and USC. Two schools that just have that, what?, why can't we play at the next level, feel to them. Oh, oh, and Alabama. Them too.