Would Gettleman have drafted Cam?

[FootballMaestro]

These are media big boards. The same people who slandered cams name leading up to the draft.

I highly doubt he was anything outside the top ten on actual scouting departments big boards.

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Bingo!

 

That's what I've been trying to say here. 

 

And when the scouting info, background check, film break down finally rolled in and was digested by the Pseudo Mock board guys like Kiper; even they had to admit Cam was the consensus #1 (both off the Panther picking him, and what the scouting, film break down and back ground checks answered). 

 

What most don't know here, who say/thing Cam wouldn't have been chosen #1; most of their fears were answered by the NFL and pool data, research, film break down. 

[FootballMaestro]

Impossible to find out.

 

No it's not. 

 

Maybe by you. 

 

And if you truly believed that ("it's impossible to find out"), then why even bother posting silly media draft picks/boards, guesses?  What they think means and is based off of nothing. 

 

That's what some of us have been trying to say. However, The NFL scouting pools and departments (along with independents) didn't have the same fears about Cam's ability, NFL readiness, character and leadership as many of the fans and pseudo analyst, TV people did. Not even close......Why, 

 

They came up with the same answers that the Panthers staff did, based off the their extensive data, film break, investigations, and interviews. 

 

End of story!

[MichaelNewtonII]

July 2013 (link)

January 2014 (link)

More recently. Gettleman stated the Panthers would indeed use the fifth year option on Newton to give them more time to get a long term deal worked out.

So where exactly are you getting the idea that he doesn't believe in him?

he wasn't completely sold when he first came in. Now he is.

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[MHS831]

I blame the cutting of Steve Smith.

 

If you want to build a perennial contender in the NFL, you can't "think" with your emotions.

 

Both very true. 

 

[thefuzz]

You do realize, Cam wasn't the only one in similar scenarios, but were nonetheless drafted #overall, right?

 

You do know this?

 

Not everyone comes from a pro style offense, was a 4 yr D1 starter, or plays on the preferred team, situation, etc. 

 

Nonetheless, true talent shines out, and that's what good scoutings for as well. It finds it. 

 

What I'm trying to state to you is: Cam wasn't perfect in your context. No he wasn't. But then again, who is?

 

Nonetheless, due to the things I'm saying (the break down of everything Cam on and off the field), the Panthers, and the scouting services had Cam as the clear #1. So those on the field, off the field questions were largely answered, beyond people having lingering concerns about his non D1/actual NFL games, such as yourself; which is understandable. 

 

I hear you, and I agree with you.  NFL teams can do a stupid amount of background and film study that the average fan cannot.

 

No, not everyone comes from what I was describing, but a big majority of the Pro Bowl level QB's that are in this league do.  The normally start a lot of games, play under center a lot (little less these days), and are more "polished" than Cam was coming out.

 

Again, I didn't want to pass on him because of these things, but I was nervous about them, and the concerns were valid, but not needed.

 

As for the perfect thing, no QB is perfect, every one of them have flaws, and when the Panthers were looking at Cam and holding that 1 draft slot, I was looking at his flaws like the rest.  He didn't have arm strength issues, hand size issues, physicality issues, or any of the rest, it was merely (for me) games started, passes thrown, footwork, etc.  

[Mr. Scot]

he wasn't completely sold when he first came in. Now he is.

 

Then why, in the first press conference he ever gave as GM, did he say that we were set at quarterback?

 

[FootballMaestro]

I hear you, and I agree with you.  NFL teams can do a stupid amount of background and film study that the average fan cannot.

 

No, not everyone comes from what I was describing, but a big majority of the Pro Bowl level QB's that are in this league do.  The normally start a lot of games, play under center a lot (little less these days), and are more "polished" than Cam was coming out.

 

Again, I didn't want to pass on him because of these things, but I was nervous about them, and the concerns were valid, but not needed.

 

As for the perfect thing, no QB is perfect, every one of them have flaws, and when the Panthers were looking at Cam and holding that 1 draft slot, I was looking at his flaws like the rest.  He didn't have arm strength issues, hand size issues, physicality issues, or any of the rest, it was merely (for me) games started, passes thrown, footwork, etc.  

 

Good response in your overall post. 

 

I wanted to point out, the Panthers broke down film of every throw, run, hand off, sack and incompletion of Cam at Auburn (i.e., every snap, along with interviewing the Auburn coaches). And they noticed a few things in their film break down, interviews regarding Cam:

 

1) He made, could make all the pro throws

2) He had excellent pocket presence (or at least what could be expected, and much better than Gabbert)

3) The overwhelming majority of his runs were called runs, and he had excellent discipline when to run, not to run as now.

4) He was a leader both on and off the field. And players followed him, both on and off the field. 

5) Malzhans (sorry if I spelled it wrong) system wasn't as simple as many wanted to believe. 

6) He was very coach-able

 

So at that point, it would have had to been a work ethic, coach ability question (and those were answered in the interviews and background checks), because the Panthers knew the physical tools, competitiveness and QB/Football discipline were already there. This is the voluminous info, access that 99% of NFL TV people, mock draftniks, etc., didn't have (or care to report, even if they did). It makes a big difference. 

 

Thanks

[thefuzz]

Good response in your overall post. 

 

However, I want to point out the Panthers broke down film of every throw, run, hand off, sack and incompletion of Cam at Auburn (along with interviewing the Auburn coaches). And they noticed a few things in their break down, questioning about Cam:

 

1) He made, could make all the pro throws

2) He had excellent pocket presence (or at least what could be expected, and much better than Gabbert)

3) The overwhelming majority of his runs were called runs, and he had excellent discipline not to run, as he does now.

4) He was a leader on the field. 

5) Malzhans (sorry if I spelled it wrong) system wasn't as simple as many wanted to believe. 

 

So at that point, it became a work ethic, football intelligence question (and those were already answered in the interviews, background checks), because the Panthers new the physical tools and discipline were there. 

 

Thanks

 

Agreed on all of the above.

 

I was nervous, because in my memory, I couldn't think of another QB who completed less passes, started less games, and only played D1 football for one season and became a no. 1 overall pick and a Pro Bowl player.

 

I'm glad we got him, and am glad he's our QB.  There are only a handful of QB's playing the positon better than he is right now, and he is just now entering his 4th year.

[FootballMaestro]

Agreed on all of the above.

 

I was nervous, because in my memory, I couldn't think of another QB who completed less passes, started less games, and only played D1 football for one season and became a no. 1 overall pick and a Pro Bowl player.

 

I'm glad we got him, and am glad he's our QB.  There are only a handful of QB's playing the positon better than he is right now, and he is just now entering his 4th year.

 

Agreed. 

 

I'm not saying he was with out ANY doubts (such as the lack of D1 time). You can't find the answer to that simply on Film (though playing in the SEC, and hearing about his work ethic and coach ability would give some positive hope for the transition) . Lol

 

However, when you compare him to Gabbert, etc.; it was clear (definitely through thorough investigation and film break down) that he had to be the number one pick, especially when you combine his physical, football, and QB awareness skills and intelligence vs his lone year in big time D1 ball.

 

It was too much to pass up on, once his background check/interviews came out glowing. Good stuff. 

 

Thanks

[heel31ok]

Of course. Much easier decision to make so clausen can throw to him.

he would never have taken Clausen.

[Kakarot]

I'm pretty sure he would have. Contrary to what many were saying on here at the time, choosing Cam was easy and would be the smart move. Especially, considering the season he had at Auburn and most could see Jimmy wasn't going to pan out. Gettleman would have chose Cam.

[csx]

Maybe

[panthers222]

And there's a difference between non NFL/non knowing "mock draft boards (who can say whatever they want)", and real NFL people, especially in the beginning. Why? Because these people, don't have the time, access, money or interest to break down film, travel, and perform the on the field, off the field back ground checks and interviews that actual NFL teams, scouting, research and investigative pools do.  That's why their information is flawed and usually not to be believed (guys like Kiper, and especially TV commentators and analyst commenting on the draft). 

 

The real NFL people and scouting services had Cam as the clear number one in the 2011 draft, and he came through his background checks with flying colors. Of course he still had questions. Yes. However, that doesn't take away from him being the best player, or prospective #1 pick in the 2011 draft, especially after coming under micro analysis and passing. 

 

We have to somehow separate (though it seems many can't here) what media people say vs what NFL people thought (though most heard the TV people 99% of the time of course). The draft pools came up with the same info that the Panther team did (break down of his NFL throws; his pocket presence; his timely runs, and how most were called by Malzan; his leader ship and work ethic, etc.). There was no magic. I know, cause I read some of them myself. 

 

What you're talking about is white noise (which means distortion, static) by media, ratings grabbers, and some haters. 

 

I hope YOU know that difference. 

 

 

I agree with your points with the media but that doesn't mean you can dismiss the major question marks he had at the time. I really doubt most of the real NFL people and scouting services had Cam as a clear number 1. If you could provide me with a source of this that would be great but it sounds like you put those words in their mouth. No one really wanted the number 1 pick that year because there wasn't a clear number 1.

 

He was an above average thrower but what made him special was his size and athletic ability.

He only played 1 year of real college ball.

He ran the spread offense 

Character concerns at the time

Did he have the mental abilities to be a great NFL QB

 

I am glad everything worked out because he passed all those test with flying colors but concerns back then were great. I don't think many people were actually comfortable with Cam being number 1. 

[teeray]

The Cam draft was a fun time around here. It was about 50-50 who wanted us to take him.and who didn't.

A lot of the Cam haters are no longer around or changed their handles *cough* TRD *cough*

But it was a fun intense debate for a while. Good times.