Would Gettleman have drafted Cam?

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

Early leader for stupidest post of the day.

Not a clue...

I find it sad that you have to say day and not week or a lengthier piece of time.

[FootballMaestro]

Disagree completely.

 

I had questions about his time under center, his number of college D1 starts, his footowork, and his accuracy.

 

I didn't care about icon and entertainer, fake smile, pay for play, and for that matter the computer...I had questions about him being able to come in and compete and play from day 1.  What you need the no. 1 overall pick to do.

 

Wasn't being a hater, racist, or airbag.

 

Once again: 

 

His "under center", "Footwork", college offense and "Accuracy", etc,, were broken down on film. And Cam came out with flying colors. I can explain it to you, if you'd like. But I thought all Panther fans would have known this stuff (and how/why) by now. I repeat: Those questions were answered long before the draft by the scouting reports and background checks. 

 

The Panther team did this, along with other pool and independent NFL scouting services. I know this; cause I read some of them myself.

 

The Miami Herald (believe it or not) had a detailed draft/scouting series their reporter pooled from. And the one on Cam had his detailed background check information, that was CLEARLY REPORTED AND STATED AS A NON ISSUE. 

 

So Non story (except by you at the time, who wasn't as informed). And that's okay. 

 

The Icon, Entertainer stuff, is a whole nother hullabaloo/non story, scare tactic as we know as well. Lol

 

PS/FWIW: "WHITE NOISE" has nothing to do with WHITE PEOPLE OR RACISM. It's just an expression for distortion; something to be wholly ignored. 

[Mr. Scot]

I find it sad that you have to say day and not week or a lengthier piece of time.

 

Understood.

 

[CelibatePimp]

Ok, I know I said BPA but thinking about it, I seriously doubt DG would have drafted Cam.

[thefuzz]

Once again: 

 

His "under center", "Footwork", college offense and "Accuracy", etc,, were broken down on film. And Cam came out with flying colors. I can explain it to you, if you'd like. But I thought all Panther fans would have known this stuff (and how/why) by now. I repeat: Those questions were answered long before the draft by the scouting reports and background checks. 

 

The Panther team did this, along with other pool and independent NFL scouting services. I know this; cause I read some of them myself. The Miami Herald (believe it or not) had a draft/scouting series. And the one on Cam had his detailed background check information that was CLEARLY REPORTED AND STATED AS A NON ISSUE. 

 

So Non story (except by you at the time, who wasn't as informed). 

 

The Icon, Entertainer stuff, is a whole nother hullabaloo/non story, scare tactic as we know. Lol

 

PS/FWIW: "WHITE NOISE" has nothing to do with WHITE PEOPLE OR RACISM.

 

It's just an expression for distortion; something to be wholly ignored. 

 

No amount of tape, interviews or anything else can make him have started more games in college, made him throw more than 180 or so completions in D1, or have made him play in a "pro style" offense in college.

 

Again, I'm not hating on the guy, but when your team is about to use the no. 1 overall selection, I am going to look at every possible "issue" out there.  I will do the same for any other extremely high draft pick.

 

I noted several "issues" with Luke leading up to the draft, he is amazing, as is Cam, but to say that every issue was put to bed is being ridiculous.  Didn't say I didn't want him, but to think that he was a polished passer, with 3 years of starting experience, and very few question marks is not accurate.

 

And I know that "white noise" has nothing to do with racism...but some of us, back in the day, when pointing out "issues" in Cam's game were called racists.

[Yaboychris28]

Guess what? We will never know so who cares

[FootballMaestro]

Kiper, Kiper, Walterfootball citing Kiper and a DC reporter who has a nose tackle from Baylor as the sixth best pick?

 

Kiper had Cam as the number one pick overall when he had to get off his personal feelings, as the NFL scouting, background check and team info came in. What he had early, was all based off personal speculation. Kiper is not actually a scout. But a reporter, who wants to act and sound like one. Big difference. 

 

So at least a month before the draft, I read him state, "Cam Newton is the #1 pick", and this had to be in March or early April. 

 

So what that other posted posted, is just playing with the numbers/info. We're talking right before the draft. And Kiper had Cam #1 at  that time!  End of story. And some of those other sources are laughable. 

[AceBoogie]

Why wouldn't he take the job if he wasn't sold on Cam?

That would be stupid. And please don't call him desperate (or surprised) by the Panthers offer at the time.

I think you're actually transferring your own beliefs to Gettleman.

He was clear when he took the job, you needed a QB, and Gettleman said as much about Cam. Did you not here that?

Remember: Football outsiders wrote an article at the beginning of the year, stating that the Panther job would be the best/most tantalizing job for an NFL head coach (due to under performance in wins vs great performance in stats) when Rivera had another poor start in 2013. And the main non stat reason they offered, was none other than Cam Newton.

So all this was well known, besides what you may conjure up in your mind or try to extrapolate from GMan's comments (or non comments). Gettleman's not the warm, fuzzy and loquacious type. Panther fans have to understand that.

Panthers fans, also need to make distinctions between the white noise media, and players bigging up their own teammates vs actual working NFL people who know/knew Cam's the real deal.

He didn't have to be sold on Cam to take the job. It was his dream to be a GM, who wouldn't take it? Especially when you have the power to change what you don't like.

[Ruff]

Who cares? It's impossible to know.

[FootballMaestro]

No amount of tape, interviews or anything else can make him have started more games in college, made him throw more than 180 or so completions in D1, or have made him play in a "pro style" offense in college.

 

Again, I'm not hating on the guy, but when your team is about to use the no. 1 overall selection, I am going to look at every possible "issue" out there.  I will do the same for any other extremely high draft pick.

 

I noted several "issues" with Luke leading up to the draft, he is amazing, as is Cam, but to say that every issue was put to bed is being ridiculous.  Didn't say I didn't want him, but to think that he was a polished passer, with 3 years of starting experience, and very few question marks is not accurate.

 

And I know that "white noise" has nothing to do with racism...but some of us, back in the day, when pointing out "issues" in Cam's game were called racists.

 

You do realize, Cam wasn't the only one in similar scenarios, but were nonetheless drafted #overall, right?

 

You do know this?

 

Not everyone comes from a pro style offense, was a 4 yr D1 starter, or plays on the preferred team, situation, etc. 

 

Nonetheless, true talent shines out, and that's what good scoutings for as well. It finds it. 

 

What I'm trying to state to you is: Cam wasn't perfect in your context. No he wasn't. But then again, who is?

 

Nonetheless, due to the things I'm saying (the break down of everything Cam on and off the field), the Panthers, and the scouting services had Cam as the clear #1. So those on the field, off the field questions were largely answered, beyond people having lingering concerns about his non D1/actual NFL games, such as yourself; which is understandable. 

[FootballMaestro]

He didn't have to be sold on Cam to take the job. It was his dream to be a GM, who wouldn't take it? Especially when you have the power to change what you don't like.

 

Then he would have been out of job before he knew it!

 

But I hear ya (though I had already addressed this in my response to you). 

 

Nonetheless, it was well known that the Panther job was ONE OF, if NOT THE BEST JOB the NFL by many (to turn around), due to Cam and analytics [analysis]. 

[panthers222]

This is crazy talk/revisionist history. 

 

Cam was the consensus #1 pick on draft boards by Feb, March 2011. And every one knew, even Mel Kiper had to admit this (cause/while the TV people weren't bantering on about Cam concerns). So I find this impossible to believe, unless you were just listening to media people doing there own thing; not NFL people, NFL knowledge based draft boards. 

 

Everyone "in the know" knew the Panthers were going to pick Cam #1, cause he was clearly the best player/had the best upside, and his back ground checks proved superb despite his earlier fau pua at Florida, and the alleged father/Mississippi shake down eventual non-story. 

 

There is a difference between being the consensus number 1 and a mock draft that had the panthers taking Cam at 1. It was out early the panthers were taking Cam so everyone put Cam as the number 1 pick overall. In terms of BPA Cam was not the one on the top of everyones list. They all had their doubts and he was very risky. Andrew Luck is what you consider a consensus #1. 

[MedellinHeel]

Gettleman hasn't done squat nor put his signature on this team. This is a Hurney core carrying a bunch of misfits Gettleman brings in. Until Gettleman can sit in front of a high demand FA and convince him to sign with us he'll never get his peers' respect and this team will always be the underdog that overachieves. Star falling to us was the most obvious decision to make. This off season is going to stain him and he better show results soon. Now he's just known as the laughing stock who cut his entire receiving corps after 12 win season.

 

Dont you need cap space to bring in high demand FAs?!? 

 

smh

[FootballMaestro]

There is a difference between being the consensus number 1 and a mock draft that had the panthers taking Cam at 1. It was out early the panthers were taking Cam so everyone put Cam as the number 1 pick overall. In terms of BPA Cam was not the one on the top of everyones list. They all had their doubts and he was very risky. Andrew Luck is what you consider a consensus #1. 

 

And there's a difference between non NFL/non knowing "mock draft boards (who can say whatever they want)", and real NFL people, especially in the beginning. Why? Because these people, don't have the time, access, money or interest to break down film, travel, and perform the on the field, off the field back ground checks and interviews that actual NFL teams, scouting, research and investigative pools do.  That's why their information is flawed and usually not to be believed (guys like Kiper, and especially TV commentators and analyst commenting on the draft). 

 

The real NFL people and scouting services had Cam as the clear number one in the 2011 draft, and he came through his background checks with flying colors. Of course he still had questions. Yes. However, that doesn't take away from him being the best player, or prospective #1 pick in the 2011 draft, especially after coming under micro analysis and passing. 

 

We have to somehow separate (though it seems many can't here) what media people say vs what NFL people thought (though most heard the TV people 99% of the time of course). The draft pools came up with the same info that the Panther team did (break down of his NFL throws; his pocket presence; his timely runs, and how most were called by Malzan; his leader ship and work ethic, etc.). There was no magic. I know, cause I read some of them myself. 

 

What you're talking about is white noise (which means distortion, static) by media, ratings grabbers, and some haters. 

 

I hope YOU know that difference.