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Gettlemagic: Slicing the fat off the cap with WR salaries.

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He threw for 400 yards in his first game. This is about chemistry, not overall talent.

He couldn't do that if he was on his ass now could he? Or if Steve Smith wasn't running open down field don't forget Steve had 178 yards and 2 tds that game.

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Again, chemistry with the WR's is the topic.

There isn't a 2011 Steve Smith on the roster not even close. Why can't you understand that it's easy to put up 400 yards with a guy like Steve Smith simply beating coverage. Why do you think Peyton throws to his WRs in the offseason on their own time? For fun?

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I saw this in another forum.  Some of you are clinging to mediocrity as if a 35-year old Speed WR making about $8m per year until he is 37--when he makes $9 million--is the answer.  Read this if you do not like what Gettlemen is doing.  Think about the savings now and in the future.  Think about the draft that is ahead of us.  I don't get your logic--745 yards from Smitty; 623 yards from Lafell; 540 yards from Ginn (the second biggest total of his career).  Yeah boy.  Who wouldn't want that again in 2014?

 

Warning--this is long and contains statistics-aka facts--to help.  It is good news, if your interest is the panthers and not simply winning an internet argument.

 

Let's compare the difference between Lafell and Cotchery. They are about the same size, about the same stats in 2013 (both at 600 yards, just under 50 receptions). The fact that Lafell is the #2 WR and Cotchery was a #3 is a bit interesting here, but not major. However, Cotchery has better hands. Both had similar QBs, but Cotchery caught 61% of the balls targeted toward him vs. Lafell's 56%. That is significant to me--for a QB, 56% is bad, 61% is good. Lafell is making $3 million per season over 3 seasons for his efforts.Cotchery will make less than $2m per season over the next 2 years and there is no dead money if he is released. He will be 32, six years older than Lafell. If you offered me both at the same salary for 2014-15, I take Cotchery all day. There is something to be said for experience and hands.

Ted Ginn Jr caught 53% of the balls thrown toward him, for his second best season as a pro (556 yards). Many of those were deeper balls, so 53% is not as bad as it sounds, but you are not keeping your QB employed by catching 53% of the targets. Tiquan Underwood, also a deep threat speedster, had 440 yards but was targeted 23 fewer times in Tampa. He averaged more yards per catch than Ginn and caught 53% of the targets. (Had each WR been thrown to the same number of times, at 53% completion rates, Underwood would have had 636 yards)  Ginn had a career-best 5 TDs to Underwood's 4. Ginn's advantage clearly comes as a returner. Ginn signed a deal for $3.3 million per season. Underwood signed for $1.1 million per season for 2 years. While I would give the advantage to Ginn, offensively, this is a wash. Special teams? Is he worth the additional $2 million?

Steve Smith caught a mere 58% of the balls targeted toward him. He had 4 TDs (the same as Underwood while Cotchery had 10). Smitty would have cost this team about $7.7 million per season to keep until he is 37 or so, making him easily the highest paid WR over 35 in NFL history. Pretty expensive for 745 yards, 58%, and 4 TDs. Avant-- We were able to get the 31-year old WR for a steal because he is coming off his worst season as a pro--probably not a good fit in the Chip Kelly offense. He only caught 50% of the balls targeted toward him and had fewer than 500 yards. HOWEVER, if you go back to the previous 2 seasons, Avant caught 69% of targets (2012) and 64% of targets (2011). Both seasons he was right under 700 yards. These numbers are actually better than Smitty's 2013 campaign, even though Avant never eclipsed 700 yards. He came close, but with fewer opportunities.

So we have a Ginn match, a Lafell match, and even a #3 WR from Philly who can match Smitty's 2013 stats if given the opportunities. If we add another pass-catching TE like Dickson and a stud WR in the draft, we will be better.

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For the sake of all things holy....outside of Vincent Jackson coming here, and us not signing the two running back anchors, we have not had many shots at no.1 WR's since Cam came here.

 

I can't think of one shot honestly.

2102-Alshon Jeffery 

We took Amini Silatolu

 

2013-Keenan Allen

We had no 3rd pick, but should have taken him in the 2nd.

 

2014-Hakeem Nicks 

We told him to go to the Colts, AFTER his dad announced he was a Panther

 

2014-Jordan Matthews

We select some D2 prospect

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2102-Alshon Jeffery 

We took Amini Silatolu

 

2013-Keenan Allen

We had no 3rd pick, but should have taken him in the 2nd.

 

2014-Hakeem Nicks 

We told him to go to the Colts, AFTER his dad announced he was a Panther

 

2014-Jordan Matthews

We select some D2 prospect

 

No one, seriously thought that Jeffery was a no. 1 at the time.

 

Same can be said about Allen, or he wouldn't have slid to the 3.

 

Nicks is not a no. 1 WR anymore, or he would have gotten no. 1 money.

 

We will see on JM.

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No one, seriously thought that Jeffery was a no. 1 at the time.

 

Same can be said about Allen, or he wouldn't have slid to the 3.

 

Nicks is not a no. 1 WR anymore, or he would have gotten no. 1 money.

 

We will see on JM.

If you're the other 31 teams in the NFL I would agree about Allen, BUT

 

When your head coach is a Cal alumnus....AND

Said Player Grew up in your backyard (Greensboro)...AND

Your WR coach spends a ton of time with him at the combine...AND

Your WR coach hosts his pro day at his facility....AND

Your WR coach throws to him at his pro day....AND

Your Head Coach is the only head coach that attends his pro day....AND

You host a private workout right after his pro day.....

 

I think it's safe to say they fuged up on that one....

 

 

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If you're the other 31 teams in the NFL I would agree about Allen, BUT

 

When your head coach is a Cal alumnus....AND

Said Player Grew up in your backyard (Greensboro)...AND

Your WR coach spends a ton of time with him at the combine...AND

Your WR coach hosts his pro day at his facility....AND

Your WR coach throws to him at his pro day....AND

Your Head Coach is the only head coach that attends his pro day....AND

You host a private workout right after his pro day.....

 

I think it's safe to say they fuged up on that one....

 

 

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Disagree.

 

I think that Allen is good, but Rivers made him great last year.

 

Maybe, just maybe, his interviews scared us off?  Maybe DG didn't think that he loved football?  He did say that he almost quit during training camp by the way.

 

Now I'm not sitting here saying that I wouldn't want him on the team.  I wanted him on this team, but for some reason DG didn't think it was as important.

Did we miss a good player?  Yes, but once again, I don't think that anyone in the NFL thought that he would be what he is, hence the 3rd round.

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Disagree.

 

I think that Allen is good, but Rivers made him great last year.

 

Maybe, just maybe, his interviews scared us off?  Maybe DG didn't think that he loved football?  He did say that he almost quit during training camp by the way.

 

Now I'm not sitting here saying that I wouldn't want him on the team.  I wanted him on this team, but for some reason DG didn't think it was as important.

Did we miss a good player?  Yes, but once again, I don't think that anyone in the NFL thought that he would be what he is, hence the 3rd round.

You disregarded everything I just said, only to say the same thing over again. We spent more time with Kennan Allen that anyone spent with any other player. If anyone knew what he was going to be it should have been us. He went in the 3rd because of injury. I believe Proehl wanted him, even Rivera, but Gettleman seems to do things his way. Kind of strange he went to San Diego, almost as if Rivera told them he was worth the pick.

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You disregarded everything I just said, only to say the same thing over again. We spent more time with Kennan Allen that anyone spent with any other player. If anyone knew what he was going to be it should have been us. He went in the 3rd because of injury. I believe Proehl wanted him, even Rivera, but Gettleman seems to do things his way. Kind of strange he went to San Diego, almost as if Rivera told them he was worth the pick.

 

Injury doesn't drop a sure fire "no. 1" WR.  Some teams were scared off, we could have been one.

 

We also don't know if DG was trying to get back into the 2 or 3 to get him, and couldn't.

 

He has stated many times that he goes BPA, Allen wasn't that player when we had the 2nd.

 

My point, is that we have had very few, if any chances to get the no. 1 WR that you and others are clamoring about.  We have been in cap hell, and just not had a chance to get one.

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