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[jarhead]

The Giants kept 3 for years.

They may have but the reality of the salary cap coupled with the requirements to have two pass rushers which are the second most coveted/expensive positions have collided. Having one on a rookie contract offsets some of that expense.

[MHS831]

Many of you are assuming that you know what "best" in BPA means.  I think it is VERY complex.

 

For example, Ealy, Matthews, and Moses are on the board when we pick.

 

Who is the best player?  Probably Ealy

Who is the best fit?  Probably Moses.  We have DEs and WRs , but we have little at T.  Moses becomes an instant starter--the other 2, maybe not.

Who is the best financial decision?  Ealy.  What?  Ealy allows you to shop a big contract this year and he frees up the cap drain on DE for the next 3 years.  That is huge.  If you draft Matthews, you are not eliminating a huge contract.  Same with Moses.  Even if Hardy and Johnson stay, Ealy rotates in and gets experience and will transition to DE after CJ is traded or released.  Gotta think about the future.

Who has the best upside?  Ealy, but you could argue Matthews.  Moses is probably peaking.

Who was the best value?  Ealy.  Ealy is probably rated around 20 overall, Moses and Matthews around 40.

Who is the best find?  Ealy.  Solid 4-3 pass rushing DEs are harder to find than WRs or RTs.

[WOW!!]

They may have but the reality of the salary cap coupled with the requirements to have two pass rushers which are the second most coveted/expensive positions have collided. Having one on a rookie contract offsets some of that expense.

I think most teams who aren't paying 2 RB a lot of money are good with the situation of having 2 highly paid pass rushers.

[MHS831]

The Giants kept 3 for years.

 

Instead of mentioning the one team that did it one time way back when,  would a better point be made to mention the 31 teams who have NEVER done it?

 

If you draft Ealy, you do so because it gives you options both now and in the future--I am not against it.  If you keep 3 DEs for 3 years, 2 of which making nearly $30 million and one on a first-rounder deal, then it is stupid.

[WOW!!]

Many of you are assuming that you know what "best" in BPA means. I think it is VERY complex.

For example, Ealy, Matthews, and Moses are on the board when we pick.

Who is the best player? Probably Ealy

Who is the best fit? Probably Moses. We have DEs and WRs , but we have little at T. Moses becomes an instant starter--the other 2, maybe not.

Who is the best financial decision? Ealy. What? Ealy allows you to shop a big contract this year and he frees up the cap drain on DE for the next 3 years. That is huge. If you draft Matthews, you are not eliminating a huge contract. Same with Moses. Even if Hardy and Johnson stay, Ealy rotates in and gets experience and will transition to DE after CJ is traded or released. Gotta think about the future.

Who has the best upside? Ealy, but you could argue Matthews. Moses is probably peaking.

Who was the best value? Ealy. Ealy is probably rated around 20 overall, Moses and Matthews around 40.

Who is the best find? Ealy. Solid 4-3 pass rushing DEs are harder to find than WRs or RTs.

I disagree.

If we were talking Clowney it's a different story. There will be a Early in next years and the draft after that.

Also you won't be giving up a contract until you find out if he can play. DE bust out just like any other position.

Again I rather put my faith in Addison, Alexander and Horton before drafting another DE in the 1st round.

Last your argument could Work for a situation if Teddy Bridgewater fell to us.

We can keep the highest salary on the team to a rookie deal for 5 more years and he could sit and learn behind Cam for a year.

But we all know most would lose there poo if that happened.

[WOW!!]

Instead of mentioning the one team that did it one time way back when, would a better point be made to mention the 31 teams who have NEVER done it?

If you draft Ealy, you do so because it gives you options both now and in the future--I am not against it. If you keep 3 DEs for 3 years, 2 of which making nearly $30 million and one on a first-rounder deal, then it is stupid.

I'm sorry I'm at work and don't have time to look at a data base of rosters. Give me time and I'll make a list.

[jarhead]

I think most teams who aren't paying 2 RB a lot of money are good with the situation of having 2 highly paid pass rushers.

 

 

I am not going to debate my opinion versus your opinion but if you do the math it makes financial sense 

[DaCityKats]

Ealy or Martin should really be the discussion.i have no issue with taking a DE,IF, he has a much larger grade compared to the other prospects on the board. but i would think that Martin might be the better prospect or equal guy compared to Ealy, and could be had in the 2nd-3rd rounds.

[carpanfan96]

Do you really think we will lose both of them??

It wouldn't surprise me at all if CJ is cut and Hardy isn't resigned. Mainly because of the cost between the two of them. Most likely that one of them won't be back and the team would then need a De capable of starting. Idk if anyone else on the team is capable of being a starter outside of Hardy and CJ.

[MHS831]

I disagree.

If we were talking Clowney it's a different story. There will be a Early in next years and the draft after that.

Also you won't be giving up a contract until you find out if he can play. DE bust out just like any other position.

Again I rather put my faith in Addison, Alexander and Horton before drafting another DE in the 1st round.

Last your argument could Work for a situation if Teddy Bridgewater fell to us.

We can keep the highest salary on the team to a rookie deal for 5 more years and he could sit and learn behind Cam for a year.

But we all know most would lose there poo if that happened.

You really don't support a counter position here because my post was figurative and hypothetical and you are trying to make it concrete.  I am not getting into your bit about players when they were mere examples. 

 

There will be a Early in next years and the draft after that.

Also you won't be giving up a contract until you find out if he can play.

 

First, its EALY.   Secondly, logic appeals to all perspectives or it isn't logic.  Can you find out if Ealy can play this year to better gauge your needs next year?  Postponing a $14 million decision a year when you are negotiating with Cam newton? Your scenario puts an unproven rookie on the field.   I can better make a decision about CJ , for example, if I know what I have now.  When are you going to "find out if he can play?"

Last your argument could Work for a situation if Teddy Bridgewater fell to us.

We can keep the highest salary on the team to a rookie deal for 5 more years and he could sit and learn behind Cam for a year.

 

That also works for DE--there is no difference. Signing Bridgewater gives you the flexibility to cut or trade Cam and save a big contract.  Drafting Ealy would make CJ or Hardy expendible, saving a big contract.  Either way, you are eliminating a huge contract.  Why would you do this, however?  Yes, they would lose their poo.

 

You have to step back and look at the big picture--the other 52 players, the other needs, the future, and the dead money.  You have to consider value, difficulty of finding certain positions. It is not simple.  Jarhead said we can't afford to have 2 DEs making $15m per season on the roster.  I get it.  Do the math and cut the pie.  This isn't my opinion,  it is what good GMs do.

 

 

 

 

 

[MHS831]

I'm sorry I'm at work and don't have time to look at a data base of rosters. Give me time and I'll make a list.

 

In your attempt to prove what exactly?  That you are right--teams should keep 3 DEs at cost of 28% of the cap because it has been done before?

[Montsta]

Many of you are assuming that you know what "best" in BPA means. I think it is VERY complex.

For example, Ealy, Matthews, and Moses are on the board when we pick.

Who is the best player? Probably Ealy

Who is the best fit? Probably Moses. We have DEs and WRs , but we have little at T. Moses becomes an instant starter--the other 2, maybe not.

Who is the best financial decision? Ealy. What? Ealy allows you to shop a big contract this year and he frees up the cap drain on DE for the next 3 years. That is huge. If you draft Matthews, you are not eliminating a huge contract. Same with Moses. Even if Hardy and Johnson stay, Ealy rotates in and gets experience and will transition to DE after CJ is traded or released. Gotta think about the future.

Who has the best upside? Ealy, but you could argue Matthews. Moses is probably peaking.

Who was the best value? Ealy. Ealy is probably rated around 20 overall, Moses and Matthews around 40.

Who is the best find? Ealy. Solid 4-3 pass rushing DEs are harder to find than WRs or RTs.

Cheezus Crust is it refreshing to know there is at least a few other people that get it.

[WOW!!]

I am not going to debate my opinion versus your opinion but if you do the math it makes financial sense

And it does at QB and MLB as well.

[WOW!!]

In your attempt to prove what exactly? That you are right--teams should keep 3 DEs at cost of 28% of the cap because it has been done before?

I was saying 2 but put words in my mouth.