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[Captain Morgan]

not sure we're lucky enough to get another De to develop to a level as CJ and Greg, but one

always hope.

[WOW!!]

not sure we're lucky enough to get another De to develop to a level as CJ and Greg, but one

always hope.

Maybe that is what we're good at now. Like the Steelers with LB.

[MadHatter]

I see almost a perfect situation at Dline right now.

1. 2 young Stars in there prime.

2. Young developing talent behind them.

3. Surrounded by young talent at DT and Lb.

I wouldn't understand adding another player to that when there are other abundantly evident holes on the team.

If they didn't tag Hardy and filled the other holes with his money then I could see this as a option.

 

But it is HIGHLY unlikely that both CJ and Hardy will be with us after this year.....that is the part that you just cannot comprehend.

[WOW!!]

But it is HIGHLY unlikely that both CJ and Hardy will be with us after this year.....that is the part that you just cannot comprehend.

But like I said I'd rather put more faith in the Young De already on our roster and our development system plus another draft next year. Then drafting a player now.

With the situation we have at OT, WR, and secondary. I'd rather take the gamble that Addison Alexander Horton or Roe can develop. Specially with the guy we would still have around them.

[emhoward]

No one on this board is suggesting that we take the DE if he has the same value as a position of need such as WR or OT. We are only suggesting that we take the DE if he has a noticeably higher value than the WR and OT, in other words BPA.

I understand the reaction "so are you saying that you would take a QB, RB, or MLB if they were BPA? Not necessarily and here's why: a backup QB sees 0 snaps a game unless the starter is injured.

The backup MLB sees 0 snaps, may play special teams. And as far as RB's go, nowadays, no one should be taking them in the first round anyway.

When you reach for need you can setup yourself for drafting a bust. I have no way of knowing this for sure but those years in which we took a receiver in the second round (Colbert, Jarrett) I think we were reaching for need in both instances and both times it didn't work out.

I'm not saying if u reach for a need position you're going to draft a bust, that's silly, I'm just saying that it's a higher chance of drafting a bust.

This is what happens: the GM knows his team has a huge hole at WR. As he watches film on the WR's he starts to overemphasize the players strengths and ignore their flaws. Why? Because he had such a need at that position.

To a hungry man any bitter thing is sweet.

You don't draft hungry, you draft full.

[WOW!!]

No one on this board is suggesting that we take the DE if he has the same value as a position of need such as WR or OT. We are only suggesting that we take the DE if he has a noticeably higher value than the WR and OT, in other words BPA.

I understand the reaction "so are you saying that you would take a QB, RB, or MLB if they were BPA? Not necessarily and here's why: a backup QB sees 0 snaps a game unless the starter is injured.

The backup MLB sees 0 snaps, may play special teams. And as far as RB's go, nowadays, no one should be taking them in the first round anyway.

When you reach for need you can setup yourself for drafting a bust. I have no way of knowing this for sure but those years in which we took a receiver in the second round (Colbert, Jarrett) I think we were reaching for need in both instances and both times it didn't work out.

I'm not saying if u reach for a need position you're going to draft a bust, that's silly, I'm just saying that it's a higher chance of drafting a bust.

This is what happens: the GM knows his team has a huge hole at WR. As he watches film on the WR's he starts to overemphasize the players strengths and ignore their flaws. Why? Because he had such a need at that position.

To a hungry man any bitter thing is sweet.

You don't draft hungry, you draft full.

There is no guarantee that a 1st De beats out the guys who are already in the system. So he could be at 0 snaps as well.

[Ketchup]

Gman has brought in enough good players to fill need. We can compete with what we have. He will draft the highest graded player at the draft. This May sting to some of you but, that being said. Watch what he drafts.... DE are like OL they usually take a few years to get good. But when you draft for the future you do not draft for need now!!!

[WOW!!]

Let's also make the point that whoever we can get at 28 isn't Clowney. This isn't a once in a decade talent you can't pass up. If Cj is gone next season. There will be similar DE'S in the draft next year. I'd rather see another year of our young DE'S and still have another draft available De's. Then to take 1 this year. Specially with the situation on offense.

[MadHatter]

Let's also make the point that whoever we can get at 28 isn't Clowney. This isn't a once in a decade talent you can't pass up. If Cj is gone next season. There will be similar DE'S in the draft next year. I'd rather see another year of our young DE'S and still have another draft available De's. Then to take 1 this year. Specially with the situation on offense.

 

No, you cannot make that point.

 

Charles Johnson and Greg Hardy say HELLO....from the 3rd and 6th rounds.

[Montsta]

Explain to me how is it different? ?

You have just as much money young talent and depth at the DE position as you do at RB, And Dt.

You have young stars at DE just like MLB and QB.

So explain the difference.

Our QB will be with the team for the next 10-15 years. Our MLB for the next 10. RB's are a dime a dozen and can be had whenever or signed via FA for peanuts to fill a need.

You people keep taking the BPA concept and attempt to break it down to its most literal sense in order to discredit it as a draft method. In spite of any of the incoherent ramblings of most people that do this, I truly believe you all are a hell of a lot smarter than you lead on.

You can't with any semblance of an IQ think taking Johnny Manziel at 28 is the exact same as taking Kony Ealy. Or that taking Carlos Hyde in the 2nd is the same as taking someone like Dee Ford even though our linebackers are studs.

The reality we have one stud defensive end signed to a huge contract that we could save a lot of money by cutting, and another that we are only guaranteed to have for a year. So drafting a DE in the first gives our FO a lot of flexibility for the future as far as which way they want to go with potentially $25MM+ in cap allocations.

If we have the following 3 guys on the teams big board all available at 28 when we pick, it should be obvious to anyone which one they will go with. Say we have Johnny Football at 25, Blake Bortles at 26, and Kony Ealy at 27, even though the other two are technically one spot or two higher, the FO would still go with Ealy.

BPA doesn't necessarily mean to a T the highest rated guy on your board. It can mean not reaching for a guy that plays WR that you have rated in the early 3rd, and takin him at 28 overall simply because all the other WR you like were taken and you really need a WR.

That's what some of you are missing the point on.

[emhoward]

There is no guarantee that a 1st De beats out the guys who are already in the system. So he could be at 0 snaps as well.

You are 100% correct, but what if the WR we draft can't beat out Underwood or McNutt, you never know that's why it's always smart to go BPA.

All that being said I get the feeling with amount of WR available one will be BPA at 28. The fact of the matter is 1st round prospects grades aren't that far apart. I think those pining for a wideout, including myself, will be happy come draft night

[Montsta]

I remember the same argument being made to not draft Kuechly.

I lead the fuging argument against picking Kuechly. I told everyone that would listen that we had an All-Pro MLB why the fug would we draft a MLB, I don't care how good the kid is. When we drafted Kuechly I was at my Lake Tahoe house on my laptop in the draft chat room and was raging and making snarky comments for a couple hours.

That right there showed me that if a player is head and shoulders better than the other guys on your board, you draft him and figure it out as far as how he fits on your team.

[Cary Kollins]

I lead the fuging argument against picking Kuechly. I told everyone that would listen that we had an All-Pro MLB why the fug would we draft a MLB, I don't care how good the kid is. When we drafted Kuechly I was at my Lake Tahoe house on my laptop in the draft chat room and was raging and making snarky comments for a couple hours.

That right there showed me that if a player is head and shoulders better than the other guys on your board, you draft him and figure it out as far as how he fits on your team.

 

 

Yeah I remember arguing with you because Kuechly was the one player I wanted. Fun times.

[WOW!!]

No, you cannot make that point.

Charles Johnson and Greg Hardy say HELLO....from the 3rd and 6th rounds.

Do we not have players with similar backgrounds already on the or can't we not get them next year? When hopefully the WR'S or Oline or Secondary is in better shape.