Jason Avant Visiting Panthers Monday

[Luke59foLife]

Yes keep a 35 year old receiver with diminishing skills that is being paid more than he's worth. How does that help our cap?

 

I can tell you how it hurts us this year. We paid our best receiver to leave. I guess the answer is signing receivers a couple years younger, and a hell of a lot less proven? Cotchery had 20 touchdowns in ten years, 10 coming in a single anomalous season. Avant has a total of 3,600 yards in eight years. Underwood has put up a staggering 1,000 yards in four. 

 

There are other ways to fix your cap then to weaken one of your worst positions. Not franchising Hardy would have been the easiest.

[Brooklyn Bully]

old- 149 Rec 1,928 Yd 

 

new- 108 Rec 1,489 Yd 

 

 

That's a big gap.

[Luke59foLife]

That's a big gap.

 

That's a big gap, and I don't think it will grow smaller next season. We don't have any downfield threats to let our current receivers do work (their part) as career number threes (and fours).

[AceBoogie]

You keep trying to make sure everyone understands (i.e. they think), that you don't care what they think? Lol, I hope you realize how silly that sounds.

You would flunk journalism school the way you misrepresent someone's words. I didn't say I'm trying to help anybody understand anything. I said I keep telling you people that I don't give a fug what you or anybody else thinks about my opinions. Now you can take those words and do what you want with them, but just as a friendly reminder I don't give two fugs. Mmk pumpkin?

[AceBoogie]

FWIW...

2013:

Smith/LaFell/Ginn vs Cotchery/Avant/Underwood

old- 149 Rec 1,928 Yd 12.9 ypc 14 TD 15 drops 1 fumble

new- 108 Rec 1,489 Yd 13.8 ypc 16 TD 7 drops 1 fumble

notes:

-old guys played 2013 with Pro Bowl QB Cameron Newton

-new guys played 2013 with Roethlisberger, Vick, Files, Freeman, & Glennon

-old guys are getting paid substantially more than the new guys in 2014, not to mention the enormous options that Smith would've been on the books for in 15 & 16.

Maybe, just maybe, Dave knows what he is doing? If he signs Avant he will have essentially filled the top 3 WR positions with guys who are veterans & had very similar production at about 1/10th of the cost. 3 vets to make up the lost production & help Cam groom the WRs that will be drafted. At a fraction of the cost.

Cotchery's 10tds is skewing your data, that's not the norm for him.

[FearTheCats]

Gettleman haters are out in full force tonight.

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[XClown1986]

That's a big gap.

 

Not when you consider that each of the new guys was the third receiver for their team last year.  3 third-fiddles as opposed to a 1,2,&3. 500 yards doesn't look like much from that perspective.

[Luke59foLife]

Not when you consider that each of the new guys were the third receiver on their teams last year.  3 third-fiddles as opposed to a 1,2,&3. 500 yards doesn't look like much from that perspective.

 

That should scare you. Do you think these guys can produce that taking on the role of number one, or two? Especially considering the run game of both Pittsburgh and Tampa was atrocious last season. Both teams had to rely on their passing attack to move, and score. Philadelphia obviously relied on rushing, but also just came out in full force every week disregarding time of procession in favor of pure yards, and touchdowns. 

[run1stdownrun2nddown]

You would flunk journalism school the way you misrepresent someone's words. I didn't say I'm trying to help anybody understand anything. I said I keep telling you people that I don't give a fug what you or anybody else thinks about my opinions. Now you can take those words and do what you want with them, but just as a friendly reminder I don't give two fugs. Mmk pumpkin?

 

Since your response started out with an insult about journalism school, after you clearly misunderstood my two sentence post, let me make this VERY simple for you by re-quoting myself and removing two words (since apparently you don't understand what i.e. means.)

 

You keep trying to make sure everyone thinks that you don't care what they think? Lol, I hope you realize how silly that sounds.

 

[XClown1986]

That should scare you. Do you think these guys can produce that taking on the role of number one, or two? Especially considering the run game of both Pittsburgh and Tampa was atrocious last season. Both teams had to rely on their passing attack to move, and score. Philadelphia obviously relied on rushing, but also just came out in full force every week disregarding time of procession in favor of pure yards, and touchdowns. 

 

Scare me? No. You are assuming we had a number 1 receiver last year. We didn't. Functionally, we had a borderline number 2 and a slew of 3 and 4 receivers. You're kidding yourself if you believe we have downgraded that significantly from last season, and from what I remember, we did pretty well. If we pick up a receiver or two in the draft that project as a 1 and 2, then we are better than last year. You use free agency to bulk up the back end of your roster and the draft to find guys to build your franchise with. I'm fine with purging the receivers on our roster. We needed it. Outside of Ginn, no one would've been worth their roster spot for their CAP number. And even Ginn got slightly overpaid.

[run1stdownrun2nddown]

I'm going to come on this message board and share my opinions with you guys, but let me make it very clear that I don't give a fug what you think about my opinions. Yea.

[Luke59foLife]

Scare me? No. You are assuming we had a number 1 receiver last year. We didn't. Functionally, we had a borderline number 2 and a slew of 3 and 4 receivers. You're kidding yourself if you believe we have downgraded that significantly from last season, and from what I remember, we did pretty well. If we pick up a receiver or two in the draft that project as a 1 and 2, then we are better than last year. You use free agency to bulk up the back end of your roster and the draft to find guys to build your franchise with. I'm fine with purging the receivers on our roster. We needed it. Outside of Ginn, no one would've been worth their roster spot for their CAP number. And even Ginn got slightly overpaid.

 

Functionally we had an offense that was one of the worst in the league, and in my opinion is was form the person calling the plays, not the players. We basically had a MIA number three receiver until Ginn last year, and still manage to take giant steps backwards. I personally think Smith was still a great receiver last season, despite his numbers and injury. I also think he would have been a asset if actually moved to role that didn't involve carrying our passing offense on his back.

 

The guys we signed weren't signed by anyone else for a reason. Our players we let walk were signed immediately by good (possibly contender) teams for a reason, whether you can see it or not. I don't think you can dispute the Patriots or Baltimore know how to win. Paying Smith to leave doesn't help our cap. Overpaying players doesn't help our cap. Creating holes in our roster doesn't help our chances to win.

 

Also, we didn't do pretty well. Our passing attack was the worst I've seen in years. It's the sole reason we didn't progress in the playoffs. Our 12-4 record (that some are now disputing, because it helps there arguments) was from our defense, and Cam Newton making the offense work, somehow, someway.

[Ship]

We'll be better without Steve, we paid him to leave so we could get better and so we wouldn't have to pay him more later and further restrain us. His production now doesn't justify the money he would have made and it doesn't justify keeping him around as the wily vet because he isn't the type of vet Gettleman seems to want aka the guys we have now and are looking at.

 

At this point we were never going to have a seamless transition from Steve to another powerhouse receiver. We have to go out on a limb for some young guys who are by their nature "unproven." Unproven is such a lame word to use as justification for why people think our guys suck though. They have potential and have had time to incubate as all late picks should. They didn't have a chance last year because we were winning and they both arrived late to the team. They are getting their chance now. We will likely draft another receiver within the first three rounds. We are putting the young guys with potential in a good position to succeed with nurturing teammates who are good people, technically sound, and have experience. We are not a team of stars, we are a team of role players in a well oiled machine. 

 

The people talking about the stat comparison are failing acknowledge that our old guys also have 41 extra receptions compared to our new guys. I think the new guys might be able to fill the 500 yard gap with those extra shots.

 

Also, quit thinking that because one guy was a number 4 guy on another team that he'll put up the same number 4 numbers for us. Guys who get more opportunities on the field will catch more balls and will make more plays. If we bring in a 3 to be our 2 he'll get more stats.

[Luke59foLife]

We'll be better without Steve, we paid him to leave so we could get better and so we wouldn't have to pay him more later and further restrain us. His production now doesn't justify the money he would have made and it doesn't justify keeping him around as the wily vet because he isn't the type of vet Gettleman seems to want aka the guys we have now and are looking at.

 

At this point we were never going to have a seamless transition from Steve to another powerhouse receiver. We have to go out on a limb for some young guys who are by their nature "unproven." Unproven is such a lame word to use as justification for why people think our guys suck though. They have potential and have had time to incubate as all late picks should. They didn't have a chance last year because we were winning and they both arrived late to the team. They are getting their chance now. We will likely draft another receiver within the first three rounds. We are putting the young guys with potential in a good position to succeed with nurturing teammates who are good people, technically sound, and have experience. We are not a team of stars, we are a team of role players in a well oiled machine. 

 

The people talking about the stat comparison are failing acknowledge that our old guys also have 41 extra receptions compared to our new guys. I think the new guys might be able to fill the 500 yard gap with those extra shots.

 

Also, quit thinking that because one guy was a number 4 guy on another team that he'll put up the same number 4 numbers for us. Guys who get more opportunities on the field will catch more balls and will make more plays. If we bring in a 3 to be our 2 he'll get more stats.

 

I completely disagree with your first statement, but whatever.

 

Right now we're bringing in pretty old guys. They've had their chance, and now we're their last. The rest of your post about receptions, well duh. That's where being a number three, and four come in, which they are.