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ChinaPanther Newbie

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Top 2 corners? So Gilbert and Dennard?

If that's the case. Fuller, Roby, and Verrett wouldn't be so awful. Ryan Shazier maybe? Jordan Matthews maybe. Kony Ealy? Dee Ford?

It's a deep draft, plenty of options.

 

I'm liking Shazier in this front seven. Hardy got double teamed against NO and the 49ers in the playoffs. Drafting Shazier would make that very precarious. 

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UpstatePanther Newbie

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It's simple, you can't help who is gone but you still stick with BPA. Pretty easy concept to get

 

this faulty line of thinking is what gets teams 4-6 RB's while the rest of their needs suffer. the only way i support BPA is if it is "BPA according to needed positions". take the best OT, WR, CB, S, DT, TE, DE, RB available. and with the exception of OT and WR (of which we need 2 of each), we meet our need with one pick and move to another. ie, once a CB is picked, dont fuggin pick another. move to the next need. 

 

and even then... BPA is no indication of future production. i wonder if Everette Brown and Jeff Otah were BPA at the time we picked them? What about Jon Beason and Jonathan Stewart, who have been injured more than they've played?

 

sorry... the concept of BPA makes me angry. every time its suggested, it seems to be the lazy cop-out. "we shouldnt waste time researching which players best fit our scheme. lets just take whoever the fug the media decides is the "best" pick when its our turn! everything will turn out great then!" 

 

no offense to you Herbert. im not calling you stupid or anything. its the ideology im against. not you. 

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this faulty line of thinking is what gets teams 4-6 RB's while the rest of their needs suffer. the only way i support BPA is if it is "BPA according to needed positions". take the best OT, WR, CB, S, DT, TE, DE, RB available. and with the exception of OT and WR (of which we need 2 of each), we meet our need with one pick and move to another. ie, once a CB is picked, dont fuggin pick another. move to the next need.

and even then... BPA is no indication of future production. i wonder if Everette Brown and Jeff Otah were BPA at the time we picked them? What about Jon Beason and Jonathan Stewart, who have been injured more than they've played?

sorry... the concept of BPA makes me angry. every time its suggested, it seems to be the lazy cop-out. "we shouldnt waste time researching which players best fit our scheme. lets just take whoever the fug the media decides is the "best" pick when its our turn! everything will turn out great then!"

no offense to you Herbert. im not calling you stupid or anything. its the ideology im against. not you.

Best player available and a player who fits your scheme go hand in hand. He's your highest rated player because he fits into what you are trying to do on offense or defense.

It's actually not a cop out and furthermore it creates a lot of blithering idiots shouting from rooftops.

Watch what happens if we pick shazier in the first if he is our highest rated player. This place will go bonkers.

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Best player available and a player who fits your scheme go hand in hand. He's your highest rated player because he fits into what you are trying to do on offense or defense.

It's actually not a cop out and furthermore it creates a lot of blithering idiots shouting from rooftops.

Watch what happens if we pick shazier in the first if he is our highest rated player. This place will go bonkers.

 

i will be one of the ones going bonkers most likely, albeit for a short period of time. i trust Gettleman after the magic he worked last offseason. but i cant for the life of me imagine why we need another OLB right now. we have two legitimate backups in Blackburn and Klein. if the team chose an OLB at any pick, i would not understand it. if we waste a 1st or 2nd rounder on a position that is nowhere near a need, i will be upset. i'll come to accept it and watch and see, but i'll initially be upset. 

 

i agree with you that this topic creates blithering idiots, and on both sides. most people who want the BPA dont make it clear that they want the BPA that fills the needs of the team. neither do they acknowledge that BPA is a relative term. BPA could also be interpreted as Best Fit Available, which could seem to be "reaching" to some people. there is a limit to the reasonable reach IMO, and just because a player is listed at the top of the media's big board at the Panthers' pick doesnt mean the Panthers should chose that player. BPA according to the Panthers' big board? sure. fire away. but people dont specify that either. 

 

perhaps its the ambiguity of the term "BPA" that aggravates me more than the concept itself. it just seems to me that some people would have the Panthers pick a bunch of random players that dont fill the needs of the team just because that player is listed on the top of the media's big board. thats the impression they give and it frustrates me.

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i will be one of the ones going bonkers most likely, albeit for a short period of time. i trust Gettleman after the magic he worked last offseason. but i cant for the life of me imagine why we need another OLB right now. we have two legitimate backups in Blackburn and Klein. if the team chose an OLB at any pick, i would not understand it. if we waste a 1st or 2nd rounder on a position that is nowhere near a need, i will be upset. i'll come to accept it and watch and see, but i'll initially be upset. 

 

i agree with you that this topic creates blithering idiots, and on both sides. most people who want the BPA dont make it clear that they want the BPA that fills the needs of the team. neither do they acknowledge that BPA is a relative term. BPA could also be interpreted as Best Fit Available, which could seem to be "reaching" to some people. there is a limit to the reasonable reach IMO, and just because a player is listed at the top of the media's big board at the Panthers' pick doesnt mean the Panthers should chose that player. BPA according to the Panthers' big board? sure. fire away. but people dont specify that either. 

 

perhaps its the ambiguity of the term "BPA" that aggravates me more than the concept itself. it just seems to me that some people would have the Panthers pick a bunch of random players that dont fill the needs of the team just because that player is listed on the top of the media's big board. thats the impression they give and it frustrates me.

 

i understand what you are saying but i try and think of it kind of like this. obviously picking a QB or a RB or a OG or a C at the 28th pick is retarded. because the value wouldn't be there. it's kind of a mix of BPA and need.

 

but filling needs does not give you the best overall team. you keep drafting the most talented players on your big board. lets say at 28 we have a choice between shazier or morgan moses. would shazier be the better pick long term or would morgan moses? who would have the best impact on our team? id wager shazier would. our defense would change with shazier at the pick. we could be 10 times more creative even with TD on the field. Think big impact, game changing plays. Or a Tackle who can protect our QB. Who has the greater chance of succeeding at their position? Now what if we picked morgan moses to be our starting left tackle. Would he have a bigger impact on the overall team then shazier? thats where i think the argument needs to be. Who will have the bigger impact immediately but more importantly long term. Would you rather have an A+ player or a B player just because that B player fills a need. It gets tricky here, because i can see the argument that "well damn is Byron Bell going to be our starting left tackle?" i can see both sides but i wont freak the fug out if that is the pick.

 

it's all about impact, especially in the first two rounds. Who will have the biggest impact on your team for the immediate but most importantly the long-term. I just hope to god OBJ is there at 28 because i love that dude.

 

i firmly believe this guy is going to be special at the next level

 

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Judo Thoreau Enthusiast

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Plenty of good players will be around at 28. Not worried at all.

Worst case scenario:

Our entire draft contingent gets stranded in the wilderness somehow on draft day. The Panthers forfeit all of their picks. JR gets extremely frustrated and sells the team to some LA guy for pennies on the dollar. The trucks get packed up and head out the next day.

Fortunately, Goodell decides to award us another team. Unfortunately, a meteor strikes Bank of America stadium directly on the 50 yard line. No one is injured, but the stadium is totally destroyed. Goodell awards a 2nd team to Jacksonville instead. We're all sad.

The end.

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i had this thought awhile ago, heres a panthers big board

 

1. Greg Robinson, Auburn
2. Jadeveon Clowney, South Carolina

 

3. Jake Matthews, Texas A&M 
4. Taylor Lewan, Michigan 
5. Sammy Watkins, Clemson 
6. Khalil Mack, Buffalo 
7. Mike Evans, Texas A&M 

8. Eric Ebron, North Carolina

9. Marqise Lee, USC 
 

 

10. Kelvin Benjamin, Florida State 
11 Odell Beckham, LSU
12. Justin Gilbert, Oklahoma State 
13. Darqueze Dennard, Michigan State 
14. Brandin Cooks, Oregon State
15. Kyle Fuller, Virginia Tech 
 
16. Zack Martin, Notre Dame 

17. Morgan moses

18. Joel Bitonio, Nevada
 

19. Austin Seferian-Jenkins, Washington
20. Bradley Roby, Ohio State 
21. Anthony Barr, UCLA
22. C.J. Mosley, Alabama 


 
 
23. Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Alabama
24. Jason Verrett, TCU
25. Calvin Pryor, Louisville 
 
26 Rashede hageman
27 dee ford

28 Aaron Donald 

29 louis nix
30 Timmy Jernigan

31 Kony Ealy
32 xaviver sua-filo

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