Marqise Lee Visiting Panthers

[CPF4LIFE]

If you told me this time last year that we would have a chance to draft Lee then I would have expected a 4-12 record.

This. Lee was a absolute monster last year

[carolina-chuck]

No.2 on my list behind Evans. Probably the best overall wr in this class!

Do want! Could eventually fall to 28.

[Kuech the Sneak]

I'll take anybody who possesses soft hands, can run a route tree, and fend off strong DBs.

Jarvis landry?

[Soul Rebel]

I'd love Lee to fall to us, and think he could do big things. For every Jarrett or Colbert, there's a Keyshawn or Robert Woods there to shine. Lee is NFL ready and I'd love him at 28 or even leapfrog NO to 26 if we need to. Watch the tape of him versus Stanford last year and the final drive to set up the FG that upset the Cardinal. The kid has heart and has his head screwed on properly.

http://draftbreakdown.com/video/marqise-lee-vs-stanford-2013/

[Jackofalltrades]

too expensive. We can't afford him. The Gettleman way.

Oh that's hilarious...

[Panthers8969]

Yeah I don't want lee. There was a thread a while back showing where the top 4 wr prospects caught the ball (along with other stats) and lee caught like 46% of his passes behind the line of scrimmage and only ran 3 routes. I don't care if he's from USC but I think he will bust

[C47]

Yeah I don't want lee. There was a thread a while back showing where the top 4 wr prospects caught the ball (along with other stats) and lee caught like 46% of his passes behind the line of scrimmage and only ran 3 routes. I don't care if he's from USC but I think he will bust

 

Go back and watch the player before you pass judgement on him. Lee had a very different 2013 for several reasons. We would be lucky as hell to get a player of his caliber at 28....

[Panthers8969]

Go back and watch the player before you pass judgement on him. Lee had a very different 2013 for several reasons. We would be lucky as hell to get a player of his caliber at 28....

I have watched him play. I'm not saying he's bad or anything I just don't want him. It's a combination of just a feeling and the aforementioned stats.

Edit: I've been looking for these stats and charts bc they were posted here somewhere(I think in the nfl draft section), but alas I can't find it. I really hope someone finds it though. It has some great info

[Panthers8969]

No.2 on my list behind Evans. Probably the best overall wr in this class!

Do want! Could eventually fall to 28.

Are you saying lee is the best overall receiver this year? Or Evans?

[Wolf Stansson]

you bastairds

[carolina-chuck]

Are you saying lee is the best overall receiver this year? Or Evans?

LEE

[Ricky Spanish]

I like statistics. I know they aren't perfect, but I like to look at them for prospects and they give me an idea of what a guy can do in the numbers category of the game. These charts show his upside, as well as my hesitation towards him.

 

Chart 1 - Where on the field they caught the ball the most.

 

- Lee’s receptions are the most stunning, as only 3.5% of his catches (2 receptions) came deeper than 20 yards. He actually dropped more deep passes (3) than he caught. Other than that, we can see the influence of Kiffin’s passing game where the majority of Lee’s receptions came on short passes designed to get yards after the catch

 

 

He does not seem to be one that takes the top off of a defense as a deep threat, however he seems to be more of a possession guy. Nothing wrong with that. If we use underwood as a deep threat or sign jacoby ford, Lee could thrive as a possession guy. 

 

Chart 2 - What they did after they caught it

 

 

 

- As alluded to earlier, Marqise Lee was put in situations where he could catch the ball short and take it for good yardage. His 7.05 yards after the catch is top 5 in the class, although his paltry 3.7 yards after the catch on screens leaves a little something to be desired.

 

Our WR's run deeper routes due to the system we run. Not sure how he fits into that scheme, but maybe shula wants to run more quick routes for our WR's this year than we did last year to possibly help mask the O-line not being able to protect Cam as well as they did this past season. 

 

Chart 3 - How they caught it and what routes they ran

 

 

 

- Nearly 43% of Marqise Lee’s receptions came on short breaking in/out routes designed to put him in a position to gain yardage after the catch. I’m personally a bit surprised by the lack of post/corner/slants that have seemed to factor more heavily into USC’s past offenses.

 

Not necessarily a bad thing, but he, to me at least, does not have the kind of elite elusiveness that would allow him to get the kind of YAC he did in college against the juggernauts of the NFL. Those quick slants allowed him to do his thing, but can he do his thing in the pros as well as he did in college?

 

Chart 4 - The dropsies 

 

 

 

Here are the drop rates for each of the WRs. I defined drops as balls that were easy receptions and likely bounced off the hands of a WR, not passes that a WR ‘could have caught’ with an acrobatic play. I won’t provide any commentary since it’s pretty self-explanatory.

 

My biggest concern about Lee. He has the highest drop rate of any of the "Top" receivers this draft class. That scares the poo out of me. It's why we all hated LaFell and why we lost the Arizona game. Drops kill drives. A receiver's main job is to catch the ball, and if he doesn't do that well, he isn't a very good receiver. 

 

Entire Article can be found here. He has another one with the "second" tier of WRs in this draft class. I would have cooks as a top talent, but that's just me. Both interesting statistical looks at all the top WR's prospects. Both articles were posted on the huddle earlier this year, but in case anyone forgot, I thought I would link to them again.

 

I'm really interested to see if Allen Robinson ends up being something special. Statistics wise, he's one of the most solid Receivers in the draft. I would be happy if we ended up with him. 

 

[davos]

you person..

 

 

I like statistics. I know they aren't perfect, but I like to look at them for prospects and they give me an idea of what a guy can do in the numbers category of the game. These charts show his upside, as well as my hesitation towards him.

 

Chart 1 - Where on the field they caught the ball the most.

 

 

He does not seem to be one that takes the top off of a defense as a deep threat, however he seems to be more of a possession guy. Nothing wrong with that. If we use underwood as a deep threat or sign jacoby ford, Lee could thrive as a possession guy. 

 

Chart 2 - What they did after they caught it

 

 

Our WR's run deeper routes due to the system we run. Not sure how he fits into that scheme, but maybe shula wants to run more quick routes for our WR's this year than we did last year to possibly help mask the O-line not being able to protect Cam as well as they did this past season. 

 

Chart 3 - How they caught it and what routes they ran

 

 

Not necessarily a bad thing, but he, to me at least, does not have the kind of elite elusiveness that would allow him to get the kind of YAC he did in college against the juggernauts of the NFL. Those quick slants allowed him to do his thing, but can he do his thing in the pros as well as he did in college?

 

Chart 4 - The dropsies 

 

 

My biggest concern about Lee. He has the highest drop rate of any of the "Top" receivers this draft class. That scares the poo out of me. It's why we all hated LaFell and why we lost the Arizona game. Drops kill drives. A receiver's main job is to catch the ball, and if he doesn't do that well, he isn't a very good receiver. 

 

Entire Article can be found here. He has another one with the "second" tier of WRs in this draft class. I would have cooks as a top talent, but that's just me. Both interesting statistical looks at all the top WR's prospects. Both articles were posted on the huddle earlier this year, but in case anyone forgot, I thought I would link to them again.

 

I'm really interested to see if Allen Robinson ends up being something special. Statistics wise, he's one of the most solid Receivers in the draft. I would be happy if we ended up with him. 

 

 

[Panthers8969]

LEE

Hahahaha. That was the way I read your post, but I was really hoping you just mistyped. No way lee is the best overall wr.