DeSean Jackson agrees to terms with Redskins

[csx]

Jackson had a punt return to win the game.............if that isn't the definition idk what is, harvin has return some for td's in big games as well that's game changing people

 

That sure lowers the bar for being considered a game changer. Is every player who scores a touchdown a game changer? Is Dominik Hixon a game changer because he caught a winning TD pass?

[Johnny Rockets]

Jackson had a punt return to win the game.............if that isn't the definition idk what is, harvin has return some for td's in big games as well that's game changing people

 

 

 

Now that CSX has edited his post, I wouldn't call Jackson a game changer by his defintiion either if he considers that to be guys like Jordan, Rice, Tiger, etc......Jackson and Harvin can't even see the level that those guys are on.

 

To act like Jackson (or Harvin) can't single handedly change a game they are playing in is wrong IMO. They are a huge threat to score anytime they touch the ball.

That punt retrun to win a game was not just an ordinary punt return either. It was the only time in history anyone had returned a punt with no time on the clock and not only did it win the game, but it put the Eagles in the playoffs and knocked the Giants out. Not only that, it put the Packers in the playoffs I believe and they eventually went on to win the Superbowl. If I am remembering that correctly, the Packers should have given D-Jax a superbowl ring also.

 

Oh yeah, that was also voted as the greatest play of all time. (not that I agree)

[csx]

I was thinking about a much different definition of game changer. 

 

I equate the definition of how it's being used here as playmaker.

 

carrry on

[Mr. Scot]

I've always defined 'game changer' as someone you have to devote a good portion of your game plan to stopping.

[TheRed]

That sure lowers the bar for being considered a game changer. Is every player who scores a touchdown a game changer? Is Dominik Hixon a game changer because he caught a winning TD pass?

 

What's more important, simply filling the stat sheet with yards, or putting points up on the board? I don't see what Domenik Hixon has to do with anything, considering DeSean Jackson put up 9 TD's last year, and Hixon has never put up more than 2 in a single season.

[Fox007]

I was thinking about a much different definition of game changer. 

 

I equate the definition of how it's being used here as playmaker.

 

carrry on

 

 

Yea your original concept was....way off...

 

We are talking about "home run threats" / "game changers" w/e its semantics.

 

But changing the flow or momentum of the game with big explosive plays is where announcers and "experts" got the term from....IE punt return for a TD in the 4th quarter for example.

 

In other words its not the steady 4 yard gainers or move the chains type of guys....

It's the guys who catch the 60 yard TD passes or take fly sweeps in for TDs...and to p55's point...this means more than 1 time ever...I mean they have to show some propensity of doing it.

[csx]

Yea your original concept was....way off...

 

We are talking about "home run threats" / "game changers" w/e its semantics.

 

But changing the flow or momentum of the game with big explosive plays is where announcers and "experts" got the term from....IE punt return for a TD in the 4th quarter for example.

 

In other words its not the steady 4 yard gainers or move the chains type of guys....

It's the guys who catch the 60 yard TD passes or take fly sweeps in for TDs...and to p55's point...this means more than 1 time ever...I mean they have to show some propensity of doing it.

 

I've typically heard the term game changer in terms of effect on the sport in general. I was wondering if I had a different definition and when you search for game changers you get lists of all time greats who changed the way a sport is played. 

 

It's ok that you meant to say home run threat and not game changer :)

 

just kidding

[Fox007]

This league is about what have you done lately.  Injuries and other factors play a big enough role to say that you can't look at history to determine if a player is a game changer today.  Should we look back at Steve Smith's career to decide if he is a game changer today? He was a game changer in his prime.  Now he isn't.

Is Harvin a game changer now?  I would say the proof is on him to show he is.  Based on recent results which is what we have to go on right now, the answer is no.

 

BTW is Ginn a game changer?  I would say no he isn't.

 

Yea Ginn isn't.. that was my point. You were acting like DJ/Harvin were all about potential and not substance when I gave that example I said Ginn is the one who is all potential and no substance.

 

Harvin's play in the SB no doubt has the Seahawks content with their game changing WR. He had over 130 yards on 2 plays in the biggest game....that's game breaking ability there...

 

If I were to talk about Steve Smith's career then yes I'd say he was a game changing player as well. Right now he is almost done and should be relegated to the slot....that doesn't take away from his career or what he will be viewed as.  So I guess we agree there?

I guess we'll just disagree on things being more about right now vs the whole body of work but the NFL seems to back me up on it since the league is also about potential and risk/reward which is why Mike Wallace (same example as earlier) got the contract he did.

Harvin also got a  great contract even with his injury history which clearly backs up the want for game changers...the Seahawks are pretty good about their personnel and they gave 6 year $65 mil for him....

 

I personally don't think those guys are worth that much money but I definitely want the Panthers to grab a few game breakers/game changers/ home run hitters or whatever we want to call them, because we have a severe lack of players who can take it 100 yards on any play.

[Fox007]

I've typically heard the term game changer in terms of effect on the sport in general. I was wondering if I had a different definition and when you search for game changers you get lists of all time greats who changed the way a sport is played. 

 

It's ok that you meant to say home run threat and not game changer :)

 

just kidding

 

Actually it was AceBoogie who called him a game changer but I knew what he meant because I watch/listen to a lot of sports talk, whether it's radio or TV...

 

Announcers and people who talk a lot of football describe certain players as "game changers" quite frequently....then they explain why they call them that.

 

You were talking about people who Changed Their Sport...from those same channels they usually say it like "He revolutionized the game". Maybe they would rarely say "He changed the game of basketball" with it being a specific reference....mostly they say the term revolutionized in terms of the entire sport.

[panthers55]

I've always defined 'game changer' as someone you have to devote a good portion of your game plan to stopping.

That is my thought and honestly I don't think that Jackson demanded for example double coverage all the time.  While he had a few monster games last year for example he had 5 games where he had less than 40 yards and that wasn't because they rolled coverage to him all the time.  On the Eagles I think that McCoy using your definition was more of a game changer and teams put more effort into game planning to stop the run versus Jackson.  In fact Jackson benefited quite a bit from teams who bit on play action allowing him to get loose behind them.

[NFLFangirl19]

There's this thing called a Franchise Tag...

Def considered that. But it would only make sense to do that once if he really didn't wanna be here. What would we do franchise him every single yr after?

[Cpt slay a ho]

That sure lowers the bar for being considered a game changer. Is every player who scores a touchdown a game changer? Is Dominik Hixon a game changer because he caught a winning TD pass?

 

that's not even a valid argument your making.............it's a simple definition, game     changer

 

those two with there ability to at any point in the game take one to the house can change a game, Devin Hester is a game changer, those three guys teams know not to kick the ball to. Jackson is just the more dynamic out of the 3 because he's a beast at WR

 

 

 

it's clear those guys are game changers

[AceBoogie]

I see that and agree on the surface, but if that were true, why did Philly basically pay him to leave? Kelly is not a church choir director-he has had some challenging players with off-field issues. Until that question is answered, the story is not over. It comes down to this: Why did Philadelphia's reason for cutting a star "game changer" not seem to matter to the Redskins?

I think, if he would have come here for a reasonable price, I would have accepted him with reservations. Watching a player for 3 hours on Sunday does not paint the full impact of his presence in the locker room and in the public eye off the field. The NFL has brands and it is a business. A player who tarnishes that brand is not worth the risk in most cases.

There is no end to the story. There is an end to chapter 1.

I believe that he didn't follow the Chip Kelly way. He didn't fit in, he probably missed some meetings and fell asleep in others. When you do that and still go out and ball on Sundays it becomes a power struggle. So you cut ties with him and make up gang allegations.

[AceBoogie]

Harvin and Jackson are good receivers but not game changers. Neither has done anything that I would consider changing the game. I guess Harvin approached that in concept with being a versatile offensive weapon. However in his best season he accounted for 967 yards receiving and 345 yards rusing with 8 total tds. That's pretty nice but I'm not sure that lives up to game changing.

Jordan was a game changer. Rice was a game changer. Tiger was a game changer. These guys aren't that IMO.

They are play makers sure but not game changers.

You're talking about different things. When I say game changer I'm not talking about the game of football. I'm talking about any given single game.

If you think teams don't game plan for Desean Jackson then you either don't know football or you don't watch the eagles. You don't think they practice special teams coverages prior to playing the eagles? Why do they do that? Because at any given time DJax can put up six. You don't think he impacts the way teams cover? Since entering the league he has more explosive plays than anyone else in the NFL. He doesn't have to catch a pass to impact a game, just the threat of him being out there.