Cyrus Kouandjio revisted

[CarolinaCoolin]

I'm not a fan of the combine and if actually knew anything about me, you would know that. Game film IS a bigger factor to me as well as scouts and GM's. However, when your sole job after your bowl game is to prepare for the pre-draft process, especially the combine, and you completely embarrass yourself it's a red flag, whether you agree with it or not.

If you want to continue harping on the platform of "common sense and logic" then you might start by removing your tremendous and horribly obvious bias. You're a CK fanboy- we got it.

When you speaking the truth you aren't being bias. - Neil Degrasse Tyson.

[Jackofalltrades]

When you speaking the truth you aren't being bias. - Neil Degrasse Tyson.

He didn't say "you're"?

I'm glad you qualify your own opinion as fact. Good luck with that.

[CarolinaCoolin]

He didn't say "you're"?

I'm glad you qualify your own opinion as fact. Good luck with that.

Game film > combine numbers. Fact

Every gm and scout will tell you that.

You look SOOOO silly man give it up

[Luke59foLife]

Maybe he'll fall further? ;)

[MadHatter]

Game film > combine numbers. Fact

Every gm and scout will tell you that.

You look SOOOO silly man give it up

 

If you really want to boil it down to the truth, all of them are important....game tape, combine results, interviews, individual workouts, prodays, etc

 

You use the combine and proday workouts to validate what you think you know or saw on the tape.  If a player significantly underperforms or overperforms you expectation, you go back to the tape to see if you missed something.

 

When a player significantly overperforms your expectation, beware....they are likely to be a workout warrior.

 

When a player significantly underperforms your expectation, beware.  Yes, they may have just had a bad day, or was sick. But, it is a red flag.

 

When a player appears to show up at the combine (the biggest day of their career and the equivalent of a job interview) woefully unprepared and out of shape....it is a huge red flag.  Their motivation and work ethic MUST be questioned.  It does not mean that you remove them from you board.  But, it does mean that you need to go back an do more research on the player.

 

I believe this is what Mr. Scott is eluding to.

[CarolinaCoolin]

If you really want to boil it down to the truth, all of them are important....game tape, combine results, interviews, individual workouts, prodays, etc

You use the combine and proday workouts to validate what you think you know or saw on the tape. If a player significantly underperforms or overperforms you expectation, you go back to the tape to see if you missed something.

When a player significantly overperforms your expectation, beware....they are likely to be a workout warrior.

When a player significantly underperforms your expectation, beware. Yes, they may have just had a bad day, or was sick. But, it is a red flag.

When a player appears to show up at the combine (the biggest day of their career and the equivalent of a job interview) woefully unprepared and out of shape....it is a huge red flag. Their motivation and work ethic MUST be questioned. It does not mean that you remove them from you board. But, it does mean that you need to go back an do more research on the player.

I believe this is what Mr. Scott is eluding to.

No one is suggesting the combine is irrelant but it is widely know game tape is far more important. When you have guys on this board who don't understand and just read combine numbers off the ticker on the bottom of the screen you get ignorant and thoughtless comments like a prospect who has been a first round guy the whole season has a bad work out and drops to the fifth round or lower.

[MadHatter]

No one is suggesting the combine is irrelant but it is widely know game tape is far more important. When you have guys on this board who don't understand and just read combine numbers off the ticker on the bottom of the screen you get ignorant and thoughtless comments like a prospect who has been a first round guy the whole season has a bad work out and drops to the fifth round or lower.

 

Two comments to your statement:

 

1.  CK's tape this season was not that great.  He fell off.

2.  Showing up grossly out of shape and not prepared for the combine is a BIG deal when evaluating the work ethic and commitment.

[CarolinaCoolin]

Two comments to your statement:

1. CK's tape this season was not that great. He fell off.

2. Showing up grossly out of shape and not prepared for the combine is a BIG deal when evaluating the work ethic and commitment.

He only had two bad game the vt game which was the first of the season and the ou game which was the last one. Those are mayocks words of Cyrus' season. If his film was so bad how come before the combine he was still considered a top 5 tackle? He's sophomore season tape also shows that he is a first round tackle.

There are various factors for not having good combine numbers and I don't think anyone on this board including myself can make any comments to his or any other prospects work ethic or commitment.

[jarhead]

Two comments to your statement:

 

1.  CK's tape this season was not that great.  He fell off.

2.  Showing up grossly out of shape and not prepared for the combine is a BIG deal when evaluating the work ethic and commitment.

 

 

I am not sure why his numbers were so bad at the combine. The guy is not a fat ass(<16 % body fat)  but he clearly was not physically prepared for the combine

 

This is arguably the best draft in 10 years.

 

If I were a GM that valued my job I would not want risk my job with a guy that has a questionable work ethic after recovering from knee surgery especially in the 1st or 2nd. I am sure they will look at him with a magnifier. I do not think he is now a 1st round pick.

[MV%doe]

Waiting for the second one. Which is perfectly fine

 

 

welp that perfectly answered my question, no need for a follow up..............  

 

 

 

 

last question; take away the name and where he played college ball at, whats your unbiased opinion(if possible) of the player.  

[CarolinaCoolin]

welp that perfectly answered my question, no need for a follow up..............

last question; take away the name and where he played college ball at, whats your unbiased opinion(if possible) of the player.

Very strong and has the athletic ability to be a starting LT. A big guy who can maul in the run game aswell. Needs to work on foot speed and technique to stop speed rushers

[MadHatter]

He only had two bad game the vt game which was the first of the season and the ou game which was the last one. Those are mayocks words of Cyrus' season. If his film was so bad how come before the combine he was still considered a top 5 tackle? He's sophomore season tape also shows that he is a first round tackle.

There are various factors for not having good combine numbers and I don't think anyone on this board including myself can make any comments to his or any other prospects work ethic or commitment.

 

I am not saying his tape was bad....but he did have some inconsistencies with his performance this year.

 

Inconsistent play at times

Coming off surgery

Question about the knee

Showing up at the combine ill prepared

 

There is enough there that the staff will need to do a ton of homework on the guy to get comfortable with taking him at #28. 

 

Not saying that they should or shouldn't....I am not a talent evaluator.

[CarolinaCoolin]

I am not saying his tape was bad....but he did have some inconsistencies with his performance this year.

Inconsistent play at times

Coming off surgery

Question about the knee

Showing up at the combine ill prepared

There is enough there that the staff will need to do a ton of homework on the guy to get comfortable with taking him at #28.

Not saying that they should or shouldn't....I am not a talent evaluator.

His surgery was during his freshman year. After his surgery.... Freshman year he never missed a practice or a game for two straight seasons. That's why this talk about his knee is pure bs validated by the leading and most well respected doctor in the field.

[MadHatter]

His surgery was during his freshman year. After his surgery.... Freshman year he never missed a practice or a game for two straight seasons. That's why this talk about his knee is pure bs validated by the leading and most well respected doctor in the field.

You just like to argue...don't you.

All I said is with the combine, inconsisten play at times, and reports about the knee (assume they were inaccurate)....he is a player with a few red flags that the staff have to do a lot if homework on to make sure they are good.

I am not saying whether I would take him or not....not whether I think they will take him or not. I definitely think he will be a player in play for the pick.