unions coming to college ball

[BlackCnqstdr]

I think you're assuming they are still student athletes, correct me if  I'm wrong. 

 

I'm saying they are no longer students of the college, they are now paid employees. Changing designation changes all the rules. I wouldn't hand over 50k (I'm just picking a number) to a player, in addition to the other things they get, without putting a contract into place. 

 

1.When colleges have to pay players, there has to be some way to pay for it. Either programs at the school are going to be cut to compensate, or there will be another way to pay for it. It's not going to be free. 

 

2.Colleges want athletes to perform, not arguing with that, but there will be conditions. The more money you invest into someone, the more you expect. If they don't perform, then colleges will find someone who will. 

 

3. Again, I'm saying these are no longer students but rather employees. Employees will be treated differently. If I'm paying someone to play football, they can go to class on their own time. On my clock, you belong to me. 

 

4. I seriously doubt a college is going to invest more money into a player without a contract. Colleges won't want to be treated as just a stepping stone when they are having to shell out millions to players. 

 

Colleges won't just roll over and take this. When money starts changing hands, the system will change. High school kids will have agents, attorneys will be involved, and the costs will go up. I'm looking at this from a business standpoint. Treating guys as just "students" when they demand financial compensation is ludicrous. If they want it to be treated like a business, then they can't complain when they are treated like an employee.

 

 

1. I meant free from the NFL's perspective of course costs will go up for the colleges.

 

2. You said higher academic standards in your first post now you're saying they're not student athletes.  My point was academic performance will not prevent athletes from playing anymore than it does now because it's not in the colleges best interest to have the athletes sitting out.

 

3. How is this different from now?  Sports are a full time activity for players now. If athletes don't show up to practice/games or break team rules they're punished now.  Again no real change there.

 

4. So when the next Jameis Winston is coming out of high school and Oklahoma says we want to give you a 4 year contract with "severe penalties" for leaving after 3 and he says no thanks Texas offered me a 3 year deal with a 4th year option what do you think Oklahoma's response will be?  I think you're over looking the fact that at the end of the day these schools want and need these players for the money they bring in.

 

Colleges will absolutely take it because they'll still be making millions and millions of dollars.  The athletes aren't treated like regular students now so again I'm confused as to what you think the differences will be.  Instead of losing a scholarship you'll get fined or fired, when you get suspended you lose a game check sure but what do you think is going to happen on a day to day basis that isn't happening now?  

[Manos]

Another quick point I haven't seen mentioned is this unionization only applies to private colleges. Public universities have more rules and so it isn't as simple.

Now as for paying players I'm OK with a monthly stipend. Give kids some pocket money to go with their scholarships.

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[SmokinwithWilly]

1. I meant free from the NFL's perspective of course costs will go up for the colleges.

 

2. You said higher academic standards in your first post now you're saying they're not student athletes.  My point was academic performance will not prevent athletes from playing anymore than it does now because it's not in the colleges best interest to have the athletes sitting out.

 

3. How is this different from now?  Sports are a full time activity for players now. If athletes don't show up to practice/games or break team rules they're punished now.  Again no real change there.

 

4. So when the next Jameis Winston is coming out of high school and Oklahoma says we want to give you a 4 year contract with "severe penalties" for leaving after 3 and he says no thanks Texas offered me a 3 year deal with a 4th year option what do you think Oklahoma's response will be?  I think you're over looking the fact that at the end of the day these schools want and need these players for the money they bring in.

 

Colleges will absolutely take it because they'll still be making millions and millions of dollars.  The athletes aren't treated like regular students now so again I'm confused as to what you think the differences will be.  Instead of losing a scholarship you'll get fined or fired, when you get suspended you lose a game check sure but what do you think is going to happen on a day to day basis that isn't happening now?  

 

1. I look for college's to go to the NFL and go ask for money. Since colleges are being used as a minor league system, which  I know they currently are, then they will probably want some compensation because their costs have gone up and the NFL is the beneficiary of all this mess. 

 

2. I was leaving the designation as "student athlete" not employee. If they were still a student, then academic penalties would/could apply. 

 

3. I changed the designation from student athlete to employee. From what I read, the NU players feel they are employees, not student athletes. Employees who don't show up or break company policy are usually fired, not suspended. They would lose their housing, food, etc. because they would no longer be employed by the college. 

 

4. I'm not overlooking the fact that schools need these players. But there are a lot of players and a lot of schools. Do you pay them all equally or does it turn into free agency recruiting wars? 

 

The day to day difference is that if players are now paid and treated like employees, there will be potentially far more problems. It's hard to say what the day to day difference will be without knowing the level of compensation. Whatever the level of compensation, it would need to be a national standard for cost of living depending on where the player lives to prevent a bidding war for players. 

 

I actually think that there is a much simpler solution to all of this. Reduce the class schedule while the player is playing to half, mainly all the basic courses you have to take to get a degree. Let the player be a full time athlete and a part time student. Student contracts/scholarships to play would be for 4 years. If the player moves on to the NFL, he can return once his NFL career is over to the school to finish his degree, expenses paid. If a player doesn't move on to the NFL, he can continue to finish his degree, expenses paid. And if a player suffers a career ending injury while playing for the college, he can continue to finish his degree, expenses paid. If a player leaves college early, the college would no longer be responsible for any further education. 

 

Colleges will have made money off the players, and players will have an opportunity to attain a higher education and secure a future. I think that would ease a lot of the tension between players and colleges.

[Inimicus]

I dont think this will stand.  NLRB or not, this is going to get struck down and there will not be a union for collegiate athletes.

 

That said I think the thing that a lot of people are missing is this...

 

 

You cant put this genie back in the bottle.  NCAA will have to revise their stance on allowing scholarship athletes to receive benefits.  Whether it be in the form of stipends to pay for beer and condoms or a royalties for use of their likeness or jobs and cars from alumni or all of the above.  They just got put on notice that if they dont change these "kids" are going to litigate their way to what they think is fair.

[BlackCnqstdr]

1. I look for college's to go to the NFL and go ask for money. Since colleges are being used as a minor league system, which  I know they currently are, then they will probably want some compensation because their costs have gone up and the NFL is the beneficiary of all this mess. 

 

2. I was leaving the designation as "student athlete" not employee. If they were still a student, then academic penalties would/could apply. 

 

3. I changed the designation from student athlete to employee. From what I read, the NU players feel they are employees, not student athletes. Employees who don't show up or break company policy are usually fired, not suspended. They would lose their housing, food, etc. because they would no longer be employed by the college. 

 

4. I'm not overlooking the fact that schools need these players. But there are a lot of players and a lot of schools. Do you pay them all equally or does it turn into free agency recruiting wars? 

 

The day to day difference is that if players are now paid and treated like employees, there will be potentially far more problems. It's hard to say what the day to day difference will be without knowing the level of compensation. Whatever the level of compensation, it would need to be a national standard for cost of living depending on where the player lives to prevent a bidding war for players. 

 

I actually think that there is a much simpler solution to all of this. Reduce the class schedule while the player is playing to half, mainly all the basic courses you have to take to get a degree. Let the player be a full time athlete and a part time student. Student contracts to play would be for 4 years. If the player moves on to the NFL, he can return once his NFL career is over to the school to finish his degree, expenses paid. If a player doesn't move on to the NFL, he can continue to finish his degree, expenses paid. And if a player suffers a career ending injury, he can continue to finish his degree, expenses paid. If a player leaves college early, the college would no longer be responsible for any further education. 

 

Colleges will have made money off the players, and players will have an opportunity to attain a higher education and secure a future. I think that would ease a lot of the tension between players and colleges.

 

1. and when the NFL says no then what?  There's no need for the NFL to get involved.

 

2. and my point was there's no incentive for the schools to have higher standards, they don't care if the players are getting educated they only care that they're playing.

 

3. All of which happens to players now.  There are different levels of discipline depending on the infraction.  Players can get benched, suspended, kicked off the team/lose their scholarship now which is effectively the same as being written up, placed on administrative leave, fired etc.  The way you're talking it seems as if you think players don't get punished in the current system.

 

4.  There are recruiting wars now. Again the only thing that changes is instead of saying here's a scholarship the school says here's a check.  

 

Why would you need to prevent a bidding war exactly?  How is it unfair for better prospects to get more money?  Players (and regular students) are already compensated differently based on their ability.  

 

The simplest solution would be to say players are allowed to make their own money, is there any good reason Marcus Mariota isn't allowed to appear in a commercial and get paid for it?

[pstall]

LOTS of unintended consequences are at stake here.

 

sounds noble and very populist but is it practical and smart? that's another story.

 

the worse part I see is it shrinks not only the # of schools that will be able to consistently afford to pay ALL of their athletes and let's be real, that will have to happen or it gets worse.

 

if the school size shrinks so does the pool of pro ready players. adios NFL as well.

 

So think about it.You think the NFL is going to allow this? no.

 

 

some have posted this earlier but many schools are right at break even in their sports budgets.

even if you do a stipend who sets the bar? does each kid get the same amount despite lack of playing time? will there be roster limits because every Manny Moe and Jack will want to be on the sidelines even if they never get on the field but they are getting a stipend. even if no full ride or getting paid to play.

 

sometimes you outsmart yourself and you bite the hand that feeds you. then you have to go be an employee for realz.

[intangiblejohnny]

I don't think this will become as horrible as some seem to think.

From what I understand based on an ESPN interview with North Western's QB:

1. The union will ask for funds to be set aside for seriously injured athletes.

2. They will ask for concussion studies to determine long term effects.

3. They will ask for compensation for the use of their likeness in video games, and for a portion of jersey sales.

4. They will ask for a stipend increase.

All of which they deserve.

[pstall]

3 can be circumvented quickly.

1 is prudent if it doesn't already go on. 2 is kinda happening but not on the scale they like so that's cool.

Who will regulate the stipends? Will be like an EBT card and only so many things you can buy with the card or you get whatever?

Lots of thought should go into this but it wont.

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