Gettleman believes reaching a long term deal with Hardy is more likely now

[TheNewStandard]

If you look at his progression over his first three seasons, he projects to rank a the #2 DE, overall, in the NFL. He is coming into his prime, rather than being on the decline.

Absolutely crazy talk to think Hardy will start diminishing in production for any reason other than injury until he turns at least 30. And that is 4 years from now.

No player taken in the draft will be top 5 at their respective position anytime soon, either.

Our Super Bowl window is sooner rather than later and we can't wait for rookies to gain elite status while wasting our already elite player's production and the chemistry and critical game planning that have been developed specifically for each player's talents and skillset.

[PantherFeez]

Makes total sense and we've already nickeled and dimed our way through FA thus far. Godfrey is the albatross (with Williams/Stewart the true long term albatross) around our neck that would free up enough money to add another WR and a 6/1 cut at OT. Kraken reminds me of a taller modernized version of John Randle with his intensity, motor and persona that brings fear to opposing teams. I truly believe that a payday won't affect Hardys production, but history and trends say otherwise. I have total faith in Getts if he lets Hardy ride this 1-yr contract out and keeps control and options open in 2015.

Well said

[Kuech the Sneak]

Doesn't seem like Godfrey is gonna be here next year, were pretty thin at safety if he's not back.

[Gin and Juice]

CJ's contract needs to stay exactly how it is so we can wash our hands of him in 2 years. Hard pill to swallow but it will be half way down by the end of this coming season

[MCC]

Hardy needs to be a top priority. Just pay the man. Pass rushers not close to as good are getting a lot of money so just do it. 

[TheNewStandard]

What does not make sense is this:

Gettlemen is a slow player. That is how he gets the best price. He did it with Munnerlyn last year, Edwards, Mikel, etc While I am sure Cam is on board with it and understands his position, he is doing it with Cam.

Right now, Hardy's stock has never been higher. Gettlemen knows that if Hardy has a 16-sack, 78 tackle season in 2014, his price is not going much higher. However, if his numbers drop, he could get him for much less.

Now include Cam's contract and CJ's contract status. If Hardy gets 10 sacks and 46 tackles, he cannot ask for elite money. Hardy's price drops to that of players in that range, which is about $8-10 million. CJ has less guaranteed money and could be cut, but he could take a cut or restructure, allowing us to keep both. If we pay Hardy top dollar now and he bombs in 2013 with 7 sacks, for example, we are locked into possibly having to cut our best DE (CJ) to make the room we need to sign Cam. On the other hand, if Hardy has 17 sacks, we could re-sign him because he is a proven blind-side rusher, cut or trade CJ, and draft a stud LDE. Signing Hardy long-term right now gives us security that he will be a Panther long term, but eliminates options.

I understand that $13 million is a lot, but hardy is asking for money in that range anyway. 16 more games will give us a better indication of what we have-if the 15-sack season was a fluke or not.

Some here will get upset over this opinion, but if you were the GM, you would make the safe plays and I do not see giving him a top-dollar, long-term contract after 1 elite season as the safe play.

Hardy had 13 sacks in 2012, in 200 fewer total snaps played.

I don't know why anyone in their right mind would think he is a one-year wonder. Short-term memory I guess?

[Snake]

Hardy really is the Steve Smith of DEs. He is going to punish people any time he is on the field.

[WOW!!]

What does not make sense is this:

Gettlemen is a slow player. That is how he gets the best price. He did it with Munnerlyn last year, Edwards, Mikel, etc While I am sure Cam is on board with it and understands his position, he is doing it with Cam.

Right now, Hardy's stock has never been higher. Gettlemen knows that if Hardy has a 16-sack, 78 tackle season in 2014, his price is not going much higher. However, if his numbers drop, he could get him for much less.

Now include Cam's contract and CJ's contract status. If Hardy gets 10 sacks and 46 tackles, he cannot ask for elite money. Hardy's price drops to that of players in that range, which is about $8-10 million. CJ has less guaranteed money and could be cut, but he could take a cut or restructure, allowing us to keep both. If we pay Hardy top dollar now and he bombs in 2013 with 7 sacks, for example, we are locked into possibly having to cut our best DE (CJ) to make the room we need to sign Cam. On the other hand, if Hardy has 17 sacks, we could re-sign him because he is a proven blind-side rusher, cut or trade CJ, and draft a stud LDE. Signing Hardy long-term right now gives us security that he will be a Panther long term, but eliminates options.

I understand that $13 million is a lot, but hardy is asking for money in that range anyway. 16 more games will give us a better indication of what we have-if the 15-sack season was a fluke or not.

Some here will get upset over this opinion, but if you were the GM, you would make the safe plays and I do not see giving him a top-dollar, long-term contract after 1 elite season as the safe play.

You keep pushing this idea but I still don't agree with the ideology.

You don't rent a player for a season (while losing other players) only to watch him walk next year.

You don't pay 13 million dollars on a "prove it deal" that's crazy.

Plain and simple Hardy needs to be signed to a long-term deal. There was no reason to tag him if you didn't plan on doing that.

You pretty much picked 1 player over 3-4 players. There is no way in hell G-man did that for a rental or "prove it deal".

[kman72]

You keep pushing this idea but I still don't agree with the ideology.

You don't rent a player for a season (while losing other players) only to watch him walk next year.

You don't pay 13 million dollars on a "prove it deal" that's crazy.

Plain and simple Hardy needs to be signed to a long-term deal. There was no reason to tag him if you didn't plan on doing that.

You pretty much picked 1 player over 3-4 players. There is no way in hell G-man did that for a rental or "prove it deal".

 

Exactly. His value is more likely to go up if he played out the 1 yr deal anyway. Its no huge rush but I hope we get a long term deal in before the deadline. I don't think we will be saving much money (if any) on a long term contract. I believe he will be making around 12-15 million a season over the contract. 

[magnus]

So there is no way CJ stays after this coming up year?

I don't know if I believe that. For one, I don't believe that CJ's at all declining.  He's a more consistent player and he's more repeatably productive.  He was having a much better year than Hardy, who got a lot of his sacks against three teams with some line issues.  

 

That's not to say I want Hardy to go, and I know paying for both is tough.  But, no, I wouldn't want to drop CJ if I can help it.   He's only 27, and he's been averaging 11 sacks a year since he was freaking 23.  

 

also the Giants put tons of resources into end.  Put a 2nd into Tuck while Umenyiora and Strahan were around. Then they threw Pierre-Paul at it.  I don't think it's a matter of choosing between Hardy or CJ, and I hope it's not. 

[pantherclaw]

I'm still worried we're going to see a drop off in effort level once that fool gets paid. I fuggin hope I'm wrong.

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when has hus effort ever dropped off?

College and NFL.

[pantherclaw]

Hardy has already proven himself.

[Rise of The Hive]

Get it done G Man.