Gettleman believes reaching a long term deal with Hardy is more likely now

[PanthersAlv]

I can dig that, and I think the team will better off having him long term.

 

I'm guessing we might be lose'n CJ next season... so it'd be good to keep Hardy.

 

Addison isn't on the same level as CJ and Hardy but he's shown he can do work.

 

We might not drop to far on Dline if we lose CJ, if Addison gets his chance to shine.

 

Tie'n up Hardy long term, while keeping Star and Short should be sufficient I'd think.

[PanthersAlv]

Does anyone have this "phantom" interview?

 

https://twitter.com/PanthersPR/status/436595934726606848

 

 

Panthers PR Dept. ‏@PanthersPR

 

GM Dave Gettleman sits down with Alex Marvez from @FOXSports1 #Panthers pic.twitter.com/YgnBt6ffXB

 

So, I guess we can start looking there? LOL

[PandaPancake]

I heard he wants to play kicker, special teams, and color commentator during broadcasts. Otherwise he won't sign

Sent from my Nexus 7 using CarolinaHuddle mobile app

[JJman]

Eh. I guess I'll wait to see the contract before I bash it but, paying him and CJ so much could be a disaster. I'd prefer CJ over him anyways.

[Gin and Juice]

Common sense says Hardy signs a long term deal. It may be on July 14th but it will be signed

[Pazhoosier89]

If Hardy is resigned CJ will most likely be gone after next year. He has a huge cap hit.

Sent from my SPH-L710 using CarolinaHuddle mobile app

[GamecockSmitty4]

Gettleman has made it clear how much he values a pass rush. Plus, with Hardy and CJ's money you are, in essence, upgrading every position on defense because they make them (especially the DB's) much better. I expect a long term deal with Hardy and don't expect to see CJ cut any time in the near future.

[MHS831]

What does not make sense is this:

 

Gettlemen is a slow player.  That is how he gets the best price.  He did it with Munnerlyn last year, Edwards, Mikel, etc  While I am sure Cam is on board with it and understands his position, he is doing it with Cam. 

 

Right now, Hardy's stock has never been higher.  Gettlemen knows that if Hardy has a 16-sack, 78 tackle season in 2014, his price is not going much higher.  However, if his numbers drop, he could get him for much less.

 

Now include Cam's contract and CJ's contract status.  If Hardy gets 10 sacks and 46 tackles, he cannot ask for elite money.  Hardy's price drops to that of players in that range, which is about $8-10 million.  CJ has less guaranteed money and could be cut, but he could take a cut or restructure, allowing us to keep both.  If we pay Hardy top dollar now and he bombs in 2013 with 7 sacks, for example, we are locked into possibly having to cut our best DE (CJ) to make the room we need to sign Cam. On the other hand, if Hardy has 17 sacks, we could re-sign him because he is a proven blind-side rusher, cut or trade CJ, and draft a stud LDE.  Signing Hardy long-term right now gives us security that he will be a Panther long term, but eliminates options.

 

I understand that $13 million is a lot, but hardy is asking for money in that range anyway.   16 more games will give us a better indication of what we have-if the 15-sack season was a fluke or not.

 

Some here will get upset over this opinion, but if you were the GM, you would make the safe plays and I do not see giving him a top-dollar, long-term contract after 1 elite season as the safe play.  

[Jackofalltrades]

^^^ Well said.

[Soul Rebel]

What does not make sense is this:

Gettlemen is a slow player. That is how he gets the best price. He did it with Munnerlyn last year, Edwards, Mikel, etc While I am sure Cam is on board with it and understands his position, he is doing it with Cam.

Right now, Hardy's stock has never been higher. Gettlemen knows that if Hardy has a 16-sack, 78 tackle season in 2014, his price is not going much higher. However, if his numbers drop, he could get him for much less.

Now include Cam's contract and CJ's contract status. If Hardy gets 10 sacks and 46 tackles, he cannot ask for elite money. Hardy's price drops to that of players in that range, which is about $8-10 million. CJ has less guaranteed money and could be cut, but he could take a cut or restructure, allowing us to keep both. If we pay Hardy top dollar now and he bombs in 2013 with 7 sacks, for example, we are locked into possibly having to cut our best DE (CJ) to make the room we need to sign Cam. On the other hand, if Hardy has 17 sacks, we could re-sign him because he is a proven blind-side rusher, cut or trade CJ, and draft a stud LDE. Signing Hardy long-term right now gives us security that he will be a Panther long term, but eliminates options.

I understand that $13 million is a lot, but hardy is asking for money in that range anyway. 16 more games will give us a better indication of what we have-if the 15-sack season was a fluke or not.

Some here will get upset over this opinion, but if you were the GM, you would make the safe plays and I do not see giving him a top-dollar, long-term contract after 1 elite season as the safe play.

Makes total sense and we've already nickeled and dimed our way through FA thus far. Godfrey is the albatross (with Williams/Stewart the true long term albatross) around our neck that would free up enough money to add another WR and a 6/1 cut at OT. Kraken reminds me of a taller modernized version of John Randle with his intensity, motor and persona that brings fear to opposing teams. I truly believe that a payday won't affect Hardys production, but history and trends say otherwise. I have total faith in Getts if he lets Hardy ride this 1-yr contract out and keeps control and options open in 2015.

[Mr. Scot]

No link got the quote from rotoworld. Their source was Alex Marvez as well

Marvez is a great source.

Used to be the Dolphins beat writer before he went national.

[MHS831]

Makes total sense and we've already nickeled and dimed our way through FA thus far. Godfrey is the albatross (with Williams/Stewart the true long term albatross) around our neck that would free up enough money to add another WR and a 6/1 cut at OT. Kraken reminds me of a taller modernized version of John Randle with his intensity, motor and persona that brings fear to opposing teams. I truly believe that a payday won't affect Hardys production, but history and trends say otherwise. I have total faith in Getts if he lets Hardy ride this 1-yr contract out and keeps control and options open in 2015.

 

Like the albatross metaphor.  So true.  We are carrying this dead weight around our necks for the sins of the past.  Yes, Hardy has one speed, if you ask me

 

[PantherWake]

So there is no way CJ stays after this coming up year?

[PantherFeez]

What does not make sense is this:

Gettlemen is a slow player. That is how he gets the best price. He did it with Munnerlyn last year, Edwards, Mikel, etc While I am sure Cam is on board with it and understands his position, he is doing it with Cam.

Right now, Hardy's stock has never been higher. Gettlemen knows that if Hardy has a 16-sack, 78 tackle season in 2014, his price is not going much higher. However, if his numbers drop, he could get him for much less.

Now include Cam's contract and CJ's contract status. If Hardy gets 10 sacks and 46 tackles, he cannot ask for elite money. Hardy's price drops to that of players in that range, which is about $8-10 million. CJ has less guaranteed money and could be cut, but he could take a cut or restructure, allowing us to keep both. If we pay Hardy top dollar now and he bombs in 2013 with 7 sacks, for example, we are locked into possibly having to cut our best DE (CJ) to make the room we need to sign Cam. On the other hand, if Hardy has 17 sacks, we could re-sign him because he is a proven blind-side rusher, cut or trade CJ, and draft a stud LDE. Signing Hardy long-term right now gives us security that he will be a Panther long term, but eliminates options.

I understand that $13 million is a lot, but hardy is asking for money in that range anyway. 16 more games will give us a better indication of what we have-if the 15-sack season was a fluke or not.

Some here will get upset over this opinion, but if you were the GM, you would make the safe plays and I do not see giving him a top-dollar, long-term contract after 1 elite season as the safe play.

I agree that to get Hardy at the value price we would need to let him play through this season; but I think it does create some hurdles.

He'll be a FA again and will be able to field offers from every team and get the best $ deal possible. He gains leverage because the Panthers don't have exclusive bargaining rights once the 2015 league year starts (though there is a cushion from the end of week 17 to that point of exclusivity, but Hardy can still hold out to field offers). This could lead to another tagging which, if deserving, wouldn't be a bad move (back to the situation we're in now, but he could demand even more with cap increasing).

Here's what might throw us off getting him at 8-10 (w/o 2nd tag); other teams (in our division in particular) could offer him 12-13 to get him. Even if he had just 10 sacks, I can see any team who needs a pass rusher bidding 2-3M/yr over true value just to get his services.

I'm just stating the other side of things even though I agree with what you've said (there's a lot of what if's on both sides).

I do see that if CJ doesn't get restructured this year (point being he doesn't increase his 15' dead $ by ~5M) in 15' he'll have 17.4M hit vs 6M dead money (11.4 savings). To me, those numbers point to extending or moving on from a player. If this is true, both of your DE's are essentially in a contract year in 2015. You could lose none, one, or worse case both.