Cotchery/Underwood > LaFell/Ginn

[bleys]

We basically replaced Shockey with Tolbert. In 2011 we didn't use a fullback.

 

lol yes, I'm very aware of that..  but who are you kidding?  we didn't use Tolbert in 2012 to make up for such a progressive scheme...He wasn't used as a traditional FB so whether we used a FB in 2011 is a moot point.  And he certainly wasn't used to replace the production we lost from Shockey.

 

 

and so the question still remains..   

[rodeo]

Ginn was key to our offense last year largely based on his reputation as a deep threat. That long TD to LaFell still sticks in my mind, he was wide open entirely because they were scared of Ginn deep and diverted coverage to him. Then to top it off he came back and made a key block.

 

I would love Underwood to be that kind of threat, we'll see.

[bleys]

Ginn was key to our offense last year largely based on his reputation as a deep threat. That long TD to LaFell still sticks in my mind, he was wide open entirely because they were scared of Ginn deep and diverted coverage to him. Then to top it off he came back and made a key block.

 

I would love Underwood to be that kind of threat, we'll see.

 

his reputation didn't have an immediate impact..  only until he caught a few long bombs did teams start adjusting.

[jtm]

People don't get it, we didn't have a number one last year so the panic that we need a number one now is unwarranted. Our number one will come in the draft and probably won't be a true number one for a year or two. We'll be just fine.

[cranky]

What's wrong with you people? Cotchery is easily an upgrade over LaFell, Ginn and even Smith. Just look at his production last year: 10 TD's and a 61% catch rate. He alone had more TD's than Smith and LaFell combined. (and by-the-way, LaFell HAD A 58% catch rate while Ginn only had a 53% catch rate as he couldn't hold onto a single deep pass!).

 

Smith was better than Cotchery two years ago but not now or going forward as his age is catching up with him.

[ChinaPanther]

Cotchery/Underwood>SS/Ginn is more accurate. JC had 76 targets last year. SS had 109. If JC gets that many targets he'll be more productive than SS this past season. 

[Car123]

What's wrong with you people? Cotchery is easily an upgrade over LaFell, Ginn and even Smith. Just look at his production last year: 10 TD's and a 61% catch rate. He alone had more TD's than Smith and LaFell combined. (and by-the-way, LaFell HAD A 58% catch rate while Ginn only had a 53% catch rate as he couldn't hold onto a single deep pass!).

Smith was better than Cotchery two years ago but not now or going forward as his age is catching up with him.

Blame Smith's stats on Shula not age. Cam wasn't even throwing for 200 yards.

[Jackofalltrades]

1 fumble with how many carries?

Once again...undersized rookie. Too early to call him anything.

[MV%doe]

really people believe the new two are better than lafell and ginn???.......jeez what a difference signing with your team and leaving your team making for your opinion.

 

 

ginn is only deal i thought was fair and wished the panthers pony up the cash, lafell may get cut after this season, still prefer these guys over kid n' play and ben only looked for me in redzone.

[iamhubby1]

lol yes, I'm very aware of that..  but who are you kidding?  we didn't use Tolbert in 2012 to make up for such a progressive scheme...He wasn't used as a traditional FB so whether we used a FB in 2011 is a moot point.  And he certainly wasn't used to replace the production we lost from Shockey.

 

 

and so the question still remains..

The way I see it, Tolbert has more versatility, and can be productive in multiple ways. Which gives him comparable value to Shockey. Shockey did what he did well. Tolbert does the same. So...to me, trying to compare 2 different positions is a tough proposition at best.

 

 

Ginn was key to our offense last year largely based on his reputation as a deep threat. That long TD to LaFell still sticks in my mind, he was wide open entirely because they were scared of Ginn deep and diverted coverage to him. Then to top it off he came back and made a key block.

 

I would love Underwood to be that kind of threat, we'll see.

I concur wholeheartedly. Ginn Jr. played so well last year we lost him. I really didn't expect that outcome. That BuckEye sombitch changed my perception of him.

Gman has done well with the "Do they really expect that guy to do what?" type players. We have to hope Underwood is a member of that list.

 

 

People don't get it, we didn't have a number one last year so the panic that we need a number one now is unwarranted. Our number one will come in the draft and probably won't be a true number one for a year or two. We'll be just fine.

I agree with 99% of that. Nowadays, more kids are making a difference earlier than expected. But then again, more teams are putting those kids in a position to succeed, by designing, and running plays where they can excel. You actually can hope the kid can contribute right away. If you feed to his strengths.

That said. You still are never sure if any of them will ever be a true #1.

We don't actually need a true #1. We just need guys that will make the play when it presents itself. Whether that be Underwood deep, Cotchery, and Olson running the middle, and Pilares/Barner in the slot. We can run with that. Which will give us time to find/groom a true #1.

tl/dr version. We have a football guy in charge. We have a Coaching Staff that is top notch. We still need some work. But you have to admit, the core of this team has the look of promise. I can live with that.

[iamhubby1]

really people believe the new two are better than lafell and ginn???.......jeez what a difference signing with your team and leaving your team making for your opinion.

 

 

ginn is only deal i thought was fair and wished the panthers pony up the cash, lafell may get cut after this season, still prefer these guys over kid n' play and ben only looked for me in redzone.

Yes..........Yes it does.

Yes, who knows, and Cotchery is better than Lafell, jury still out on the Ginn Jr./Underwood battle.

[SOJA]

Ginn >  Underwood and Crotch > Lafell

[Jackofalltrades]

Ginn > Underwood and Crotch > Lafell

No.

[CarolinaSock]

Have people already forgotten last offseason? I don't think anyone expected Ginn to be half as productive as he was, he had 2 catches a year ago. Same with Mitchell and even Wharton. I think Gettleman has earned at least one offseason of trust based on how well those moves worked out last offseason.