Cotchery/Underwood > LaFell/Ginn

[iamhubby1]

won't Barner be taking over as return man?

IMO, it is up to him. And I believe that would also be a best case for Rivera and co. Pilares was pretty good in his limited time. But I feel they want him as a WR first, returner 2nd. All Barner has to do is absorb all his 1st years experience and come in ready to shine.

I think Barner played a little bit slow last year. Like he was thinking about not making a mistake, instead of just making a play. I rally hope he can turn that year of training and classroom work into a much improved player. There is a roll for that player. And it could mean as both a returner, and as a back.

tl/dr version. I an really hoping Barner come in relaxed because he is ready to ball. He could very well help us in multiple areas. Or, the game is just too big for him, and he will never get it. Nah, I'm going with my heart.

[BlackCnqstdr]

Ginn Jr. played like the #2ish WR we didn't expect last year. With the way our Offense is structured, he had pretty good year. Throw in his return ability, and he had tremendous value for us.

I just don't see Underwood having anywhere near that value. Unless he improves dramatically, he will be a 3-4 WR at best. Which can still contribute, but no where near what Teddy gave us.

Maybe with Ricky and Cotchery he can get coached up. If so, the potential is there for some exciting plays. I can live with that.

 

23.2 ... that's how many yards per game Ginn averaged before coming to carolina. Underwood averaged 23.9.  Ginn's totals are higher because he's been in the league longer/played in more games and he was given a starting job in miami because he was a top ten pick.  They both suck, if Underwood holds onto the ball he'll be better than Ginn.

[iamhubby1]

eh not really, at least not enough to get excited about.  i guess when teams lose players, fans tend to downplay their value.

I like Cotchery, and the potential Underwood brings. But we are still in dire straits at WR. We really need at least 1 more solid #2. With Olsen, 2 solid WR should work.

If we can get lucky and draft a future #1 this year, we wouldn't be hard pressed to force him into action. Design some plays he can excel at, and build his confidence with some easy success.

But we are still short at that end. But we have plenty of time, and a whole draft, to work this out. We are close, so there is plenty of hope.

[Cpt slay a ho]

on paper yeah.......well anyone should be able to better then lafell.....but ginn we'll see guy was big time for us last year some of you have short term memory............time will tell

[Guest shitposting]

Better than LaFell shouldn't have been hard. I think everyone wanted LaFell released after the end of last year. Ginn on the other hand not at all. Ginn was our first solid returner we've had in years. Barner may be a replacement, but who knows. We went through so many, remember Joe Adams?

 

We still have absolutely no replacement for Smith.

[iamhubby1]

on paper yeah.......well anyone should be able to better then lafell.....but ginn we'll see guy was big time for us last year some of you have short term memory............time will tell

Best case, Pilares ballz out this year, and makes us forget all about Teddy. He was pretty good as a returner, and has had SOME success as a WR. Maybe, just maybe, he can put it all together. If so. I can live with that.

Cotchery is better than Lafell. Pilares, may/could replace Ginn Jr. production. Ok, that's a stretch. We still need to replace Smitty.

[Car123]

Did Ginn even return a kick last season when it mattered? 

 

 

 

 

I can only speak for myself, but i think a lot of us are excited because this reminds me a lot of the Ginn signing last season. Both came in here, unproven. Ginn barely saw the field for two seasons before he revived his career. I just feel there is a lot of potential in this guy, and we got him for cheap. But those who are hesitant are correct. This guy hasn't proven he is better than Ginn, and may very well fade and not contribute.

 

I believe Gettleman sees something in this guy, and I trust his judgement. He has had success last year with these kind of acquisitions 

He helped a lot vs SF. He helped all year with good field position.

[Car123]

Barner is a fumbler. I hope he doesn't return kicks.

[mav1234]

Ginn Jr. played like the #2ish WR we didn't expect last year. With the way our Offense is structured, he had pretty good year. Throw in his return ability, and he had tremendous value for us.

I just don't see Underwood having anywhere near that value. Unless he improves dramatically, he will be a 3-4 WR at best. Which can still contribute, but no where near what Teddy gave us.

Maybe with Ricky and Cotchery he can get coached up. If so, the potential is there for some exciting plays. I can live with that.

 

As a receiver alone, Underwood has had a better career to date than Ginn had when he came here.  The last two years for Underwood suggest that with Cam, he could really explode and do well.  

 

But Ginn won't be easy to replace as a PR.  That's where he will be sorely missed, IMO. :(

[CashNewton22]

To be honest the more I sit back and look at it the more I'm beginning to resigned myself for Moses/Martin lineman in the 1st round...and Jordan Mathews or another more NFL ready WR like Jordan Mathews in the 2nd with a high floor but maybe more no 2 recievers potential. I believe we're going to get our next true Franchise receiver next year. As much as I'd loooove OBJ or Cooks I'm going to be cool with the other less sexy option. It's a process though, and I THINK I'm beginning to kinda see Gettleman's plan.

[iamhubby1]

23.2 ... that's how many yards per game Ginn averaged before coming to carolina. Underwood averaged 23.9.  Ginn's totals are higher because he's been in the league longer/played in more games and he was given a starting job in miami because he was a top ten pick.  They both suck, if Underwood holds onto the ball he'll be better than Ginn.

The two knocks on Underwood are his hands and his route running. Although it may not be by much, Ginn Jr. was better in both areas. Throw in his return ability, and Underwood cannot match Gins's production. He may have potential to outplay Teddy as a consistent WR, but he hasn't shown any consistency yet.

With Ricky and Cotchery, maybe they can help the kid reach his potential. That is the hope anyway.

 

 

As a receiver alone, Underwood has had a better career to date than Ginn had when he came here.  The last two years for Underwood suggest that with Cam, he could really explode and do well.  

 

But Ginn won't be easy to replace as a PR.  That's where he will be sorely missed, IMO. :(

As a WR Underwood is pretty comparable to Teddy. But, imo, Teddy has better hands, and runs better routes. Shiano, in a blurb, talked about Underwood needing to work on being consistent with his hands and routes. He needs work, he may get the help he needs here. If so, I can live with that.

But Teddy has value in the return game. Add that value to his WR production. And he was extremely valuable to us. Hated to lose him.

[BlackCnqstdr]

The two knocks on Underwood are his hands and his route running. Although it may not be by much, Ginn Jr. was better in both areas. Throw in his return ability, and Underwood cannot match Gins's production. He may have potential to outplay Teddy as a consistent WR, but he hasn't shown any consistency yet.

With Ricky and Cotchery, maybe they can help the kid reach his potential. That is the hope anyway.

 

 

As a WR Underwood is pretty comparable to Teddy. But, imo, Teddy has better hands, and runs better routes. Shiano, in a blurb, talked about Underwood needing to work on being consistent with his hands and routes. He needs work, he may get the help he needs here. If so, I can live with that.

But Teddy has value in the return game. Add that value to his WR production. And he was extremely valuable to us. Hated to lose him.

 

That's why I said if, I don't expect much out of him but Ginn wasn't a significant loss in any way.  He was valuable to Carolina because Carolina had one of the worst receiving corps in the league and had been searching for a returner for years not because he was especially good at either.  

[iamhubby1]

To be honest the more I sit back and look at it the more I'm beginning to resigned myself for Moses/Martin lineman in the 1st round...and Jordan Mathews or another more NFL ready WR like Jordan Mathews in the 2nd with a high floor but maybe more no 2 recievers potential. I believe we're going to get our next true Franchise receiver next year. As much as I'd loooove OBJ or Cooks I'm going to be cool with the other less sexy option. It's a process though, and I THINK I'm beginning to kinda see Gettleman's plan.

I am under the belief that we still need at least one more solid #2 or better WR to be effective. A draft pick, if lucky, can contribute. But how much, and how soon? He may develop into what we need, but I don't want to have to count on one this year. Especially early.

I think we are close. And as Gman likes to fill out the roster before the draft, I don't think we are done. They may not be name guys, but we will still add some guys to fill in the remaining holes.

Best case. We draft 3 starters in the 1st 3 rounds. If so, with decent pick ups along the way, we may just be in good shape. We were a pretty good team last year. With a good draft, and a few more decent FAs, I still see a pretty good team. Maybe even a younger, better team.

[beastson]

Cotchery > Lafell

 

Ginn > Underwood

 

This still isn't impressive. And this won't help our 28th passing attack