Benjamin gaining steam as a potential "joker" tight following proday

[Proudiddy]

Benjamin is Alshon Jeffery all over again but bigger. He does all the same things  makes spectacular catches but can drop the easy ones. Firsht year will be mostly a redzone threat but beyond that well... you see Jeffery.

 

Difference is, Jeffery did it for three years, Benjamin has kind of done it for two. 

 

I've watched both of them play in college and Jeffery did more with less, in regards to talent around him and the guy throwing it to him.  I wanted us to draft Jeffery.  I don't want Benjamin.

 

There are some guys you watch and know they can play and excel at the position in which they play...  I always felt that way about Jeffery, I don't see the same in Benjamin.  I can't pinpoint it to you because although it should be detectable in the whole of their abilities, there is an element of intangibility.  He's just lacking something for me.

 

If we drafted him, I'd have no choice but to hope for the best...  At the very least, he is a big target.  But, I just don't think he's going to turn out very well compared to the other guys in this class and has potential to be a huge bust...  And that's another thing - Benjamin sounds a lot more appealing to me in the 2nd or 3rd round for that reason...  Yet, people have him projected in the 1st, and that's why I don't want any part of him.  Jeffery had first round talent and went in the 2nd because of questions about his work ethic and such.  If we're talking about Benjamin in the 2nd or 3rd, that's a different conversation.  But, the boom or bust potential on him in the first is not something I want to play around with, especially when we NEED a kid to make an immediate impact.  Just my opinion.

 

[mcdougal]

Benjamin is Alshon Jeffery all over again but bigger. He does all the same things  makes spectacular catches but can drop the easy ones. Firsht year will be mostly a redzone threat but beyond that well... you see Jeffery.

 

Exactly. I don't know what it is with Panthers fans. If the WR is not Jerry Rice or Calvin Johnson, they are not worth being drafted in the first 3 rounds, according to them.

[micnificent28]

Difference is, Jeffery did it for three years, Benjamin has kind of done it for two. 

 

I've watched both of them play in college and Jeffery did more with less, in regards to talent around him and the guy throwing it to him.  I wanted us to draft Jeffery.  I don't want Benjamin.

 

There are some guys you watch and know they can play and excel at the position in which they play...  I always felt that way about Jeffery, I don't see the same in Benjamin.  I can't pinpoint it to you because although it should be detectable in the whole of their abilities, there is an element of intangibility.  He's just lacking something for me.

 

If we drafted him, I'd have no choice but to hope for the best...  At the very least, he is a big target.  But, I just don't think he's going to turn out very well compared to the other guys in this class and has potential to be a huge bust...  And that's another thing - Benjamin sounds a lot more appealing to me in the 2nd or 3rd round for that reason...  Yet, people have him projected in the 1st, and that's why I don't want any part of him.  Jeffery had first round talent and went in the 2nd because of questions about his work ethic and such.  If we're talking about Benjamin in the 2nd or 3rd, that's a different conversation.  But, the boom or bust potential on him in the first is not something I want to play around with, especially when we NEED a kid to make an immediate impact.  Just my opinion.

 

The diffrence between the 28th pick and and 2nd round pick a few slots? Were not exactly at the the  top of the first round. Alshon didnt exactly blow people and didnt even get a first round grade. They both are  redzone threats with questionable speed. I think benjamin is more of a deepball thread and is stronger. If the kid came back for another year which is what your unsure about we would even be discussing picking him because he would be gone. These type of boom bust picks are what you get at the end of the first round. 

 

The kid will make an impact right away you saw what he did in the national championship. He has a massive catch radius and I think he's always open due to his size. were lucky the class is so deep or  we might not even have this chance.

[MtnJax]

I'm hoping Brandon Williams will emerge as our "Joker" tight end. He has all the physical skills to be a great player and he's a huge target for Cam.

 

This. same size as Ebron and just as fast if not faster. just needed a year to learn and get back into football

[Growl]

Benjamin is Alshon Jeffery all over again but bigger. He does all the same things makes spectacular catches but can drop the easy ones. Firsht year will be mostly a redzone threat but beyond that well... you see Jeffery.

it's comical how scared people are of ideal measurements. sheep buying into the fabricated "character" or "refinement" issues espn churns out when they have nothing else to down a player for.

[top dawg]

Scouts are scouts for a reason.

[TheNewStandard]

I'm just hoping that Beckham is still available at our second pick because he looks legitimately NFL-ready as a #2 receiver with KR/PR ability. He has the speed to stretch the field and he has the hands and body control to be that quick-hit possession receiver at the sticks. If he is there it makes everything a whole lot easier to piece

[iamhubby1]

Gross was also the best OL last year, & the only one not named Kalil that should have been starting.

Cam has been hit twice as many times as any other QB from the pocket since '11.

Cam's ankle was sliced open today because his shitty o-line forced him to run & have Wilkerson roll over on it.

The o-line is garbage.

Technically, 4 of our season starting O-line should be back this year. Just maybe it won't be as bad as you are trying to make it out to be. But feel free to flame away. It is what you seem to enjoy doing.

Also, Cam was not hurt in the pocket. He was rolled over on while running out of bounds. Not sure how you can blame that on the O-line?

I sure hope this year turns out well. Otherwise I do worry for your psychy. Cuz you seem to have quite a bit of hate built up there.

[TheNewStandard]

I'm just hoping that Beckham is still available at our pick because he looks legitimately NFL-ready as a #2 receiver with KR/PR ability. He has the speed to stretch the field and he has the hands and body control to be that quick-hit possession receiver at the sticks. If he is there it makes everything a whole lot easier to piece together. He fits in our system and fills needs, all while legitimately being an upgrade over Lafell.

Benjamin is certainly intriguing and could add a wrinkle to the offense but is he going to help us get into field goal range...first things first. Sure, he can go up and get it once we get into the red zone, but can he be that go-to guy in the middle or on the sidelines at the end if the game. Can he stretch the field and make the tough catch when he's being double teamed? I don't know. Those are questions that have tough answers right now. An argument can be made to draft a TE here, especially if it's size that matters. Troy Nikkas isn't giving up much in the way if speed and is a superior blocker compared to Benjamin. I mean, if we need help on the line and with pass catching, you can't go wrong with Niklas paired with Olsen.

The real value is in the second round where guys like Moncrief, Robinson, Coleman, Bryant and maybe even Matthews will be available...but with King and McNutt, we already have those types of players on the team, so unless they truly are BPA and we don't have faith in our roster, we should definitely grab one of these guys at the end of the second, depending on what we do with the first.

Everything is going to depend on who we get with that first pick and if one of Benjamin, Beckham and Cooks is available, I say we definitely draft one. If not, we should move down about 10 spots or so which will get us an extra pick and better value without reaching. I wouldn't touch Cyrus unless he clears all physicals, so I won't even entertain thoughts about him unless the Panthers bring him in for a private workout and meeting.

If we are just going to draft Benjamin based in his size, we could have better options later in the draft like ASJ, Xavier Grimble

The guys I know can start from day 1 are Cooks, Beckham and Matthews as far as WRs go and Hurst, Mewhort and Turner on the line. Any combination of those 6 guys with our first 2 picks and we're golden, in my book. If not, then we might as well draft strictly BPA, regardless of position because of the value and flexibility that would give us.

It's gonna be interesting, that's for sure and the possibilities are mind-boggling to say the least.

[jcluther34]

Benjamin is Alshon Jeffery all over again but bigger. He does all the same things  makes spectacular catches but can drop the easy ones. Firsht year will be mostly a redzone threat but beyond that well... you see Jeffery.

 

Benjamin runs sloppy routes

 

Is astoundingly passive in fighting for the ball

 

Has hands made of only the finest stone

 

And just watch some of his tape, half the time Jameis looks to other receivers 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh and if none of that works for you, he can't block for poo.

 

Sure, he MIGHT be coachable to a certain extent where he can produce, but he is not, and will not come in and produce day 1. And that's not fitting into Gettleman's philosophy. We aren't drafting Benjamin.

[jcluther34]

it's comical how scared people are of ideal measurements. sheep buying into the fabricated "character" or "refinement" issues espn churns out when they have nothing else to down a player for.

 

I have no problem with his character whatsoever. I never had a problem with Big Jefferey's either. Dude is and always has been a monster.  Benjamin doesn't command the same kind of attention from defenses. Throw a safety in at the top of his route and have a LB escort him down his route and he's a complete nonfactor.

[jcluther34]

The diffrence between the 28th pick and and 2nd round pick a few slots? Were not exactly at the the  top of the first round. Alshon didnt exactly blow people and didnt even get a first round grade. They both are  redzone threats with questionable speed. I think benjamin is more of a deepball thread and is stronger. If the kid came back for another year which is what your unsure about we would even be discussing picking him because he would be gone. These type of boom bust picks are what you get at the end of the first round. 

 

The kid will make an impact right away you saw what he did in the national championship. He has a massive catch radius and I think he's always open due to his size. were lucky the class is so deep or  we might not even have this chance.

 

look man, its not my business who alshon decides to blow ok

[panthersphan]

enuff??........really???

Was that so much easier than typing 1 more letter, goodness.

[micnificent28]

Benjamin runs sloppy routes

Is astoundingly passive in fighting for the ball

Has hands made of only the finest stone

And just watch some of his tape, half the time Jameis looks to other receivers

Oh and if none of that works for you, he can't block for poo.

Sure, he MIGHT be coachable to a certain extent where he can produce, but he is not, and will not come in and produce day 1. And that's not fitting into Gettleman's philosophy. We aren't drafting Benjamin.

Your the only person I've hear ever say he was passive in fighting for the ball because everyone else seems to think thats where he wins at. If you also make the catches he makes his hand can't be nearly as bad as you say. While routes are sloppy I agree and block def could use some work I think your pouring on the sauce alil to hot sir. As far as that blowing goes you lost me.

As far as it not happening a lot depends on who falls. And if he's bpa at a need position who are you to say what were going to do. Take a seat buddy.