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Now the FA WRs have leverage...Bump that!

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modified my last post so reread. & I've never met Nicks in my life & I'm not claiming to but I know I've read an interview where he talked about Steve Smith. How he admired him & wanted to be like him growing up. Then him doing an interview back in Feb saying he would be a great fit for his home team & then the moment Smith gets cut he's not a good fit anymore. It didn't take much thought at all for me to figure out why that was. You're absolutely right they could've asked Smith to restructure & that would've made much more sense but his agent said they didn't. They could've restructured others contracts as well to save more $$ but I guess they thought they would be better off just cutting him. Im sorry for thinking that's gonna come back to bite em but I think it will.

 

like I said you could be right, but then Nicks wasn't ever worth 5mil and you can't just restructure contracts without it drastically harming the team in 2015 or 16..  And restructuring Smitty was not the answer for that reason.  He needed to take a pay cut..  Everyone would need to take a pay cut. 

 

All I'm really saying is common sense should tell most everyone that Nicks and Smitty were never a real possibility considering the cap situation.  In turn, it should then tell most everyone that Nicks wasn't worth 5mil no matter the situation, well, unless of course we had 30mil wide open to splurge...

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anything is possible and you may very well be right but you have very little to base that on unless you actually know Nicks? The problem with common sense is doesn't do anyone all that much good when it's being applied to hearsay..

And if it's true Nicks couldn't handle the pressure than it's far from worth signing him for the 5 out of 6mil we would have available.. To me that common sense is pretty evident.

None-the-less, the cap hits of having them both on the team are hard to overcome without some dramatic shifts taking place. I don't see the possibility unless some big restructures happen which then only hurts the team...

the point is that the pressure would have been much less if not non existent if Smith was still in the picture. DUH! & once again cutting Godfrey who never plays more than half a season anyway would've have saved them over double the $$ they saved by cutting smith so how is it you keep saying it it would have been impossible to make it work. But we can keep going back & forth even though the fact will still remain that they will take a major step back this yr & probably won't win more than 7 games.(which those wins will probably only happen due to the defense). That move may work out for them in the long run but they better hope that if it doesn't work immediately Cam doesn't decide he wants out. But that's a whole new topic for an entirely diff thread
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Two Part Quiz:

1. Which two WR's in Panthers team history can you actually categorize as #1 WR's?

2. How did we acquire them?

It's a thought. But no need to go back to the pre-Getty period. So far he has a good track record in the draft. No need to try and tie him to the luckiness of drafting a third round return man that turned into a legend (who he ironically axed).

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the point is that the pressure would have been much less if not non existent if Smith was still in the picture. DUH! & once again cutting Godfrey who never plays more than half a season anyway would've have saved them over double the $$ they saved by cutting smith so how is it you keep saying it it would have been impossible to make it work. But we can keep going back & forth even though the fact will still remain that they will take a major step back this yr & probably won't win more than 7 games.(which those wins will probably only happen due to the defense). That move may work out for them in the long run but they better hope that if it doesn't work immediately Cam doesn't decide he wants out. But that's a whole new topic for an entirely diff thread

 

And then Godfrey would cost nearly 3mil in dead money next year.  You have to keep in mind that our cap is going to be even worse next year (so restructuring anyone is going to typically be a bad move for instant gratification) and that Nicks contract will be up while dealing with the same exact situation.  Also, we still need a LT and plenty of other holes to fill.

 

so we have 6mil with Smitty.  Nicks signs costing the team roughly 5mil.  We would have 1mil left over.  We cut Godfrey as June 1st, we now have 7mil this year and a cap hit of about 3.5 of dead money next year.  We will need 4-5mil to sign rookies this year.  We are left with holes at LT and CB with roughly 2mil left over.

 

 

And I see very few mentioning one big issue with Smitty.  He's 35 and recovering from a PCL tear.  That's something you don't just brush your shoulders off..  

 

 

So since we are gambling on the future, I have to say common sense tells me Nicks and Smitty isn't exactly the ideal situation.  Especially when Smitty and Nicks have to prove they can play 16 full games...

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And I see very few mentioning one big issue with Smitty.  He's 35 and recovering from a PCL tear.  That's something you don't just brush your shoulders off..  

 

Bleys, why do you keep mentioning that Smitty has a torn PCL? I get that you are trying to rationalize G-man cutting him and make yourself and everyone else feel better, but Steve Smith did NOT suffer a torn PCL. He had a sprained PCL. If he had a torn PCL, the old man would have never been able to score the lone TD vs the 49ers.  

 

Let's give the Smitty thing a break---at least until he comes out on those old, broken down bones and runs roughshod over defenders while playing in the slot for the Ravens as he should have been allowed to do at BOA stadium.

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Bleys, why do you keep mentioning that Smitty has a torn PCL? I get that you are trying to rationalize G-man cutting him and make yourself and everyone else feel better, but Steve Smith did NOT suffer a torn PCL. He had a sprained PCL. If he had a torn PCL, the old man would have never been able to score the lone TD vs the 49ers.  

 

Let's give the Smitty thing a break---at least until he comes out on those old, broken down bones and runs roughshod over defenders while playing in the slot for the Ravens as he should have been allowed to do at BOA stadium.

 

a sprained PCL is a tear..  and because it did slow him down in that game...  Are you going to tell me that injury didn't affect him in the 2nd half?   He's 35, it's a very real issue..

 

it's something to consider..  which is all I'm bringing up.  This has nothing to do with me feeling better.  I'm about as detached as it gets and it only takes reading my posts to see that.  Here's a bigger question: why do people feel compelled to exaggerate someone's take on an issue so they feel better?

 

 

 

There are a few things I will never wrap my mind around and that is how Smitty has never had bonafide help not just on the other side but enough to put him in the slot..  and the other is how we used the cap space cleared in 2010 to royally fug this team up for years on 2-14 players.

 

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a sprained PCL is a tear..  and because it did slow him down in that game...  Are you going to tell me that injury didn't affect him in the 2nd half?   He's 35, it's a very real issue..

 

it's something to consider..  which is all I'm bringing up.  This has nothing to do with me feeling better.  I'm about as detached as it gets and it only takes reading my posts to see that.  Here's a bigger question: why do people feel compelled to exaggerate someone's take on an issue so they feel better?

 

 

 

There are a few things I will never wrap my mind around and that is how Smitty has never had bonafide help not just on the other side but enough to put him in the slot..  and the other is how we used the cap space cleared in 2010 to royally fug this team up for years on 2-14 players.

 

 

I guess you could say all sprains are tears in a sense. Of course in medical terms there is a differentiation for a reason. 

 

Of course Smitty was affected by the injury in the first and second half. If it hadn't of been such a big game, then Smitty would have been on the sidelines.  He came out and did his thing like the warrior that he is, but he really shouldn't have been playing. He had an injury that was not career ending in any shape, fashion or form, unfortunately at the wrong time. 

 

Well, we all have our opinions.   Like I was telling another guy, apparently the FOs of the Ravens, Pats and Seahawks (among others) feel that Smitty still has something left in the tank.  Sure, he's not what he once was. He admits it himself. But to think that he won't be able to get it done with Jacoby Jones on one side, Torrey Smith on the other, Dennis Pitta on the line...well...I'll put it this way: I don't think anyone will mistake him for being a bust.

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I guess you could say all sprains are tears in a sense. Of course in medical terms there is a differentiation for a reason. 

 

Of course Smitty was affected by the injury in the first and second half. If it hadn't of been such a big game, then Smitty would have been on the sidelines.  He came out and did his thing like the warrior that he is, but he really shouldn't have been playing. He had an injury that was not career ending in any shape, fashion or form, unfortunately at the wrong time. 

 

Well, we all have our opinions.   Like I was telling another guy, apparently the FOs of the Ravens, Pats and Seahawks (among others) feel that Smitty still has something left in the tank.  Sure, he's not what he once was. He admits it himself. But to think that he won't be able to get it done with Jacoby Jones on one side, Torrey Smith on the other, Dennis Pitta on the line...well...I'll put it this way: I don't think anyone will mistake him for being a bust.

 

yeah, absolutely nobody ever said anything even resembling such a statement..  that would be ridiculous.  so did you say this to make yourself feel better?  lol  

 

And yes, we know Smitty is a warrior.  

 

torn pcl = completely torn, needs surgery

sprained = a tear but not completely torn, recommended to heal on it's own instead of surgery

 

none-the-less, it impacted him severely..  He wasn't even targeted in the 2nd half but once...  surely that's an issue of concern moving forward.

 

Hopefully at 35 he can recover to give me another season (in any jersey) to watch the GOAT put on a few more good performances on a team that actually has the components in place to benefit him.   That team is not the Carolina Panthers tho...

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