Now the FA WRs have leverage...Bump that!

[bleys]

It's not as if I'm standing outside the stadium with a loudspeaker shouting for Gettleman to come outside and listen to me. We're all here for the same thing, it's only discussion, I'm sure there are a few delusional types who actually think they could literally run the team better than him.

 

My issue is I don't want us to have to become desperate at the position, and basically we are getting there.

 

Britt has some injury concerns of his own other than the off the field questions too by the way.

 

I didn't address you as being a person standing outside shouting to Gettleman lol   I'm just saying being comfortable isn't necessarily the best answer when we have nothing to base it on as of yet.

 

And you quoted the part where I mentioned Britt's injury concerns..  It would most likely be a 1 year deal.  We'll have to see.  But Smitty has a major one and Nicks still has to prove he's past his injuries and won't face any new ones..

 

So then is it worth being comfortable to sign James Jones for 3.7mil?  He has to be the #1, right?  He may prove it..  Just as questionable though.  

 

I'm actually not even saying there is a right answer but there's a lot of questionable ones that it seems fans are all too ready to pounce on just to feel comfortable..  emotions are a bitch though..

[TheRed]

I didn't address you as being a person standing outside shouting to Gettleman lol   I'm just saying being comfortable isn't necessarily the best answer when we have nothing to base it on as of yet.

 

And you quoted the part where I mentioned Britt's injury concerns..  It would most likely be a 1 year deal.  We'll have to see.  But Smitty has a major one and Nicks still has to prove he's past his injuries and won't face any new ones..

 

So then is it worth being comfortable to sign James Jones for 3.7mil?  He has to be the #1, right?  He may prove it..  Just as questionable though.  

 

I'm actually not even saying there is a right answer but there's a lot of questionable ones that it seems fans are all too ready to pounce on just to feel comfortable..  emotions are a bitch though..

 

Yeah I know, just saying lol. I guess I must have skipped over that part of your post then, sorry.

 

I think most of us can agree that the ultimate goal should be to finally groom a receiver or two through the draft. But there are no guarantees that they will step up big in their first year without experiencing growing pains. There are exceptions recently of course, but we can't expect it.

 

At this point, any receiver left that we bring in is going to be questionable in some way or another unfortunately.

 

Yeah there is really no clear right answer at this time, at least not in March. In my mind, I still wish we hadn't let things get the way they did with Steve, and tried to work something out with him to keep him around for another year so we wouldn't be quite so desperate now.

[TheRumGone]

i really do believe Cam can elevate players games.

 

We need to sign two vet WR though to go along with McNutt, King and our draft picks.

 

It will take the weight off their shoulders, but they will be expected to contribute, especially if they are a high draft pick. All hope is not lost, far from it.

[NFLFangirl19]

Skeptical of what? Nicks said he's a franchise player. In fact, that's why he was demanding a Cruz-esque contract in NY. If he can't handle the load, then I have to question his mental capacity. It's bad enough he's been injury prone and questions about his motor have increased, but to turn down a job offer because he didn't want to be 'the guy' after making a big fuss about it last year... I don't know.

ive explained this so many times i have to sound like a broken record by now. but im sure he was skeptical of coming in after who I think fans collectively consider the greatest Panther EVER. That's some really big shoes to fill. & we all know Smitty wasn't just a good player but he had a big personality as well, while Nicks is probably one of the most laid back guys in the league & probably wasn't gonna be able to deal w/ all the pressure & attention he would get from having to replace Smith. He was drafted in NY, played well for them, & in turn wanted a big contract. What player doesn't? That's not the same as coming back to your home town & replacing the guy you grew up watching. Even in NY he was use to being apart of a tandem (even a trio) at some point. so the pressure was never all on him. Joining the Colts allows him to be apart of that same type of system. Like I said he may not have minded it as much if he had to play the #1 guy with Smith still being there but taking his place is not what he asked for. He said he wanted to be the missing link remember not the savior.

[NFLFangirl19]

we wouldn't have any money if we kept Smitty and signed Nicks.. After all said and done, we would would have 8mil. Unless we kept Smitty, then 6mil. Nicks is going to cost roughly 5mil after incentives. That's 1mil to sign draft picks without restructuring to hurt the cap even more in the future.

Now, I've read many comments that the cap is some magical number but for some reason I've not yet heard how we're going to manipulate it so drastically to fit all these players within it's limit.

As for the rest, it's speculation and I never read anything close to it so I can't comment on it. As far as I know Gettleman and Nicks both agreed Indy was a better fit.

That measly 2 million $$ would not have been the diff maker in wether or not we could keep Smitty & then aquire Nicks. It would have possibly kept us from filling in other areas through FA but guess what...this WR issue that they are currently dealing w/ right now wouldn't even exist. So I'd say it would have been worth it.

[yosemiteben]

"Joke is on them because GMan actually doesn't want Cam to have WRs to throw to and just wants the franchise to fail anyway." - Huddle logic

[NFLFangirl19]

ive explained this so many times i have to sound like a broken record by now. but im sure he was skeptical of coming in after who I think fans collectively consider the greatest Panther EVER. That's some really big shoes to fill. & we all know Smitty wasn't just a good player but he had a big personality as well, while Nicks is probably one of the most laid back guys in the league & probably wasn't gonna be able to deal w/ all the pressure & attention he would get from having to replace Smith. He was drafted in NY, played well for them, & in turn wanted a big contract. What player doesn't? That's not the same as coming back to your home town & replacing the guy you grew up watching. Even in NY he was use to being apart of a tandem (even a trio) at some point. so the pressure was never all on him. Joining the Colts allows him to be apart of that same type of system. Like I said he may not have minded it as much if he had to play the #1 guy with Smith still being there but taking his place is not what he asked for. He aid he wanted to be the missing link remember not the savior.

[NFLFangirl19]

Tryin to edit & i quote myself lol. hate when that happens. Need a delete option on here

[bleys]

That measly 2 million $$ would not have been the diff maker in wether or not we could keep Smitty & then aquire Nicks. It would have possibly kept us from filling in other areas through FA but guess what...this WR issue that they are currently dealing w/ right now wouldn't even exist. So I'd say it would have been worth it.

 

that 2mil becomes a huge deal when you can't sign your draft picks...  

 

 

 

 

NFLFangirl19, on 18 Mar 2014 - 08:50 AM, said:

ive explained this so many times i have to sound like a broken record by now. but im sure he was skeptical of coming in after who I think fans collectively consider the greatest Panther EVER. That's some really big shoes to fill. & we all know Smitty wasn't just a good player but he had a big personality as well, while Nicks is probably one of the most laid back guys in the league & probably wasn't gonna be able to deal w/ all the pressure & attention he would get from having to replace Smith. He was drafted in NY, played well for them, & in turn wanted a big contract. What player doesn't? That's not the same as coming back to your home town & replacing the guy you grew up watching. Even in NY he was use to being apart of a tandem (even a trio) at some point. so the pressure was never all on him. Joining the Colts allows him to be apart of that same type of system. Like I said he may not have minded it as much if he had to play the #1 guy with Smith still being there but taking his place is not what he asked for. He aid he wanted to be the missing link remember not the savior.

 

 

 

I don't know where you came up with all that but you're going to have to forgive everyone for not taking it as scripture..

[52Beast]

Two Part Quiz:

 

1. Which two WR's in Panthers team history can you actually categorize as #1 WR's?

 

2. How did we acquire them?

[NFLFangirl19]

that 2mil becomes a huge deal when you can't sign your draft picks...

I don't know where you came up with all that but you're going to have to forgive everyone for not taking it as scripture..

i kinda just took what i know about him, considered the situation, & why he said he turned us down & then used my common sense. But that's not common these days. As far as cutting smith goes, thats a stupid move anyway u spin it. u dont get rid of the most consistent reciever on your team and then get stuck w/ NO RECIEVERS when everyone else bounces out just to save 2 million dollars. He would've been better off dropping Godfrey & recouping that 5 million $ replacing him in he draft.

[bleys]

i kinda just took what i know about him, considered the sutuation, & why he said he turned us down & then used my common sense. But that's not common these days.

 

anything is possible and you may very well be right but you have very little to base that on unless you actually know Nicks?  The problem with common sense is doesn't do anyone all that much good when it's being applied to hearsay..  

 

And if it's true Nicks couldn't handle the pressure than it's far from worth signing him for the 5 out of 6mil we would have available..  To me that common sense is pretty evident.  

 

 

 

None-the-less, the cap hits of having them both on the team are hard to overcome without some dramatic shifts taking place.  I don't see the possibility unless some big restructures happen which then only hurts the team...

[CPF4LIFE]

I don't think the talking heads realize gettleman doesn't give a fug what they think. They still think we have our old GM

[NFLFangirl19]

anything is possible and you may very well be right but you have very little to base that on unless you actually know Nicks? None-the-less, the cap hits of having them both on the team are hard to overcome without some dramatic shifts taking place. I don't see the possibility unless some big restructures happen which then only hurts the team...

modified my last post so reread. & I've never met Nicks in my life & I'm not claiming to but I know I've read an interview where he talked about Steve Smith. How he admired him & wanted to be like him growing up. Then him doing an interview back in Feb saying he would be a great fit for his home team & then the moment Smith gets cut he's not a good fit anymore. It didn't take much thought at all for me to figure out why that was. You're absolutely right they could've asked Smith to restructure & that would've made much more sense but his agent said they didn't. They could've restructured others contracts as well to save more $$ but I guess they thought they would be better off just cutting him. Im sorry for thinking that's gonna come back to bite em but I think it will.