Now the FA WRs have leverage...Bump that!

[mav1234]

There's a reason these guys are still looking today.

 

They have leverage? Uh huh, sure.

 

We told Nicks to go elsewhere, now we're not going to tell even worse players to?

 

Gimme a break.  If there's one thing Gman certainly is, it appears to be unyielding.  He's not going to cave and offer Cotchery more than he thinks he's worse, and he sure as hell isn't going to gamble big on Britt.

[L-TownCat]

In the end it will come down to who wants a job, or who want to be a Panther. It won't be the money here, it will the opportunity and the appeal of playing with a top shelf passer.

[GamecockSmitty4]

The leverage balances out. They can hold out in hopes that we pay more because we have few options left.

 

Although, on the other side of the court, they have the opportunity to take a short term deal and be the only veteran receiver for a young, star QB who needs someone to throw the ball to.

[Rise of The Hive]

G-Man laughs in the face of leverage.

[bleys]

Who would we sign out of the available FA to be our #1 receiver for $2 million a year or less?

We're already at bargain prices here man. Lafell even got $11 million.

 

that remains to be seen..  The question is do you think Nicks was going to be the one man show while the rest of the receivers came from the draft?  And then it worth pushing some more money out into the future so the team can sign draft picks?  

 

Would Nicks and Olsen carry this team into the playoffs?  We would still have some other holes to fill as well...

 

One thing many may not be considering is just how much of an impact will Steve Smith have this upcoming year?  Could Smitty and Olsen carry us into the playoffs?  or will that extra 3mil be better invested by adding more smaller pieces around Cam?  

 

Cam may be ready to elevate the talent around him.  So to answer your question, I think if Cam expects to be a top 5 QB this year (you don't have to agree, he might though) then he will be able to work with guys costing less than 2mil..  Especially if he wants the luxury down the road to actually acquire talent and not average receivers crippling us for the sake of immediate comfort.

 

 

And also because LaFell cost 11mil doesn't mean that the level of WR getting separation goes down.  The Pats likely signed him because he's just good enough and going to improve their run game quite a bit more...  They didn't break the bank for him and I'd take Cotchery as a receiver every day for less over LaFell...

[bleys]

just for shits and giggles, assuming Kenny Britt can convince Gettleman he isn't going to step up his game and murder a hooker this year then I'd say he's more talented than the rest.  Including an expensive Nicks costing $5mil and far from a sure thing.  Especially if you consider he has huge potential to get comfortable in Charlotte with all his people.  That may be why they both agreed Indy would be a better fit; but hey, what good would it be to speculate on such things..

[TheRed]

that remains to be seen..  The question is do you think Nicks was going to be the one man show while the rest of the receivers came from the draft?  And then it worth pushing some more money out into the future so the team can sign draft picks?  

 

Would Nicks and Olsen carry this team into the playoffs?  We would still have some other holes to fill as well...

 

One thing many may not be considering is just how much of an impact will Steve Smith have this upcoming year?  Could Smitty and Olsen carry us into the playoffs?  or will that extra 3mil be better invested by adding more smaller pieces around Cam?  

 

Cam may be ready to elevate the talent around him.  So to answer your question, I think if Cam expects to be a top 5 QB this year (you don't have to agree, he might though) then he will be able to work with guys costing less than 2mil..  Especially if he wants the luxury down the road to actually acquire talent and not average receivers crippling us for the sake of immediate comfort.

 

 

And also because LaFell cost 11mil doesn't mean that the level of WR getting separation goes down.  The Pats likely signed him because he's just good enough and going to improve their run game quite a bit more...  They didn't break the bank for him and I'd take Cotchery as a receiver every day for less over LaFell...

 

Not sure that Nicks would have had to be a one man show necessarily, I would have been more comfortable with the threat of Nicks/Olsen, and a couple of talented rookie receivers, maybe even another TE too, than the scraps that we look to be left with right now.

 

I think Cam is capable of elevating players, but we still need to put the right talent around him.

 

Cotchery will likely be an upgrade over Lafell, but can he be the #1?

 

Olsen will obviously still be Cam's go to target, but at the end of the day, he's still a TE.

[TheRed]

just for shits and giggles, assuming Kenny Britt can convince Gettleman he isn't going to step up his game and murder a hooker this year then I'd say he's more talented than the rest.  Including an expensive Nicks costing $5mil and far from a sure thing.  Especially if you consider he has huge potential to get comfortable in Charlotte with all his people.  That may be why they both agreed Indy would be a better fit; but hey, what good would it be to speculate on such things..

 

If we can bring in Britt we should, but the fact that we are at this point of desperation after doing Smith the way we did is just ironic.

[NFLFangirl19]

Nicks had leverage and went elsewhere. Jones had leverage and went elsewhere. If we keep playing "hardball" all offseason, we may end up hearing about how Armanti Edwards has leverage over us come summer.

Gettleman offered Nicks a better deal than the Colts tho....

[NFLFangirl19]

that remains to be seen.. The question is do you think Nicks was going to be the one man show while the rest of the receivers came from the draft? And then it worth pushing some more money out into the future so the team can sign draft picks?

Would Nicks and Olsen carry this team into the playoffs? We would still have some other holes to fill as well...

One thing many may not be considering is just how much of an impact will Steve Smith have this upcoming year? Could Smitty and Olsen carry us into the playoffs? or will that extra 3mil be better invested by adding more smaller pieces around Cam?

Cam may be ready to elevate the talent around him. So to answer your question, I think if Cam expects to be a top 5 QB this year (you don't have to agree, he might though) then he will be able to work with guys costing less than 2mil.. Especially if he wants the luxury down the road to actually acquire talent and not average receivers crippling us for the sake of immediate comfort.

And also because LaFell cost 11mil doesn't mean that the level of WR getting separation goes down. The Pats likely signed him because he's just good enough and going to improve their run game quite a bit more... They didn't break the bank for him and I'd take Cotchery as a receiver every day for less over LaFell...

thats the thing! It was suppose to be Nicks, Olsen, a drafted receiver, AND Smith. Once smith was taken out of the picture thats when i believe Nicks became skeptical. Remember he said he wanted to be the missing piece not have to replace anybody. I don't think he would have minded taking the #1 role if Smith was still here but not taking it and playing alongside a rookie who didn't really get it yet.

[bleys]

Not sure that Nicks would have had to be a one man show necessarily, I would have been more comfortable with the threat of Nicks/Olsen, and a couple of talented rookie receivers, maybe even another TE too, than the scraps that we look to be left with right now.

 

I think Cam is capable of elevating players, but we still need to put the right talent around him.

 

Cotchery will likely be an upgrade over Lafell, but can he be the #1?

 

Olsen will obviously still be Cam's go to target, but at the end of the day, he's still a TE.

 

feeling more comfortable is one way to look at it.  It's obvious Gettleman is getting past that and making different decisions for the team not just this year but years after.  And until we see how things play out the only thing we know is the fans are feeling desperate at the moment.  You can project those feeling onto the FO, but to each their own..

 

If Cam can make pre-snap reads and good decisions after the snap Cotchery wouldn't need to be a true #1..  He would need to be a good route runner, which is about all I expect out of Smitty.  Except we all aren't keeping in mind that a 35 year old receiver is coming off a PCL tear.  That's just about as big of a deal as any other concerns mentioned by each FA "lost"..

 

 

[bleys]

thats the thing! It was suppose to be Nicks, Olsen, a drafted receiver, AND Smith. Once smith was taken out of the picture thats when i believe Nicks became skeptical. Remember he said he wanted to be the missing piece not have to replace anybody. I don't think he would have minded taking the #1 role if Smith was still here but not taking it and playing alongside a rookie who didn't really get it yet.

 

we wouldn't have any money if we kept Smitty and signed Nicks..  After all said and done, we would would have 8mil.  Unless we kept Smitty, then 6mil.  Nicks is going to cost roughly 5mil after incentives.  That's 1mil to sign draft picks without restructuring to hurt the cap even more in the future.

 

Now, I've read many comments that the cap is some magical number but for some reason I've not yet heard how we're going to manipulate it so drastically to fit all these players within it's limit.

 

As for the rest, it's speculation and I never read anything close to it so I can't comment on it.  As far as I know Gettleman and Nicks both agreed Indy was a better fit.  

[TheRed]

feeling more comfortable is one way to look at it.  It's obvious Gettleman is getting past that and making different decisions for the team not just this year but years after.  And until we see how things play out the only thing we know is the fans are feeling desperate at the moment.  You can project those feeling onto the FO, but to each their own..

 

If Cam can make pre-snap reads and good decisions after the snap Cotchery wouldn't need to be a true #1..  He would need to be a good route runner, which is about all I expect out of Smitty.  Except we all aren't keeping in mind that a 35 year old receiver is coming off a PCL tear.  That's just about as big of a deal as any other concerns mentioned by each FA "lost"..

 

 

 

 

I think fans are projecting this desperation a bit.  Britt would be the typical signing actually.  And since it would most likely be a 1 year deal his injury history wouldn't be as big of a gamble either.  

 

It's not as if I'm standing outside the stadium with a loudspeaker shouting for Gettleman to come outside and listen to me. We're all here for the same thing, it's only discussion, I'm sure there are a few delusional types who actually think they could literally run the team better than him.

 

My issue is I don't want us to have to become desperate at the position, and basically we are getting there.

 

Britt has some injury concerns of his own other than the off the field questions too by the way.

[heelinfine]

We can always trade late draft picks for mid-tier vets if need be. Nobody needs to panic. Plus, there will be decent WRs who are cut between now and August. Don't overpay for anyone!

Thats what I've been screamin. Everybody just needs to take a deep breath and step away from the ledge.

On second thought, after reading all the over-reactionary doomsday post, the fanbase is in need of a purge, so ignore my previous comments and take one more step.