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There is no master plan and that's a good thing.

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Yes, it's true.  Gettlemen doesn't really have a master plan.  There is no secret trick that we are not seeing.  That's a really good thing because in the NFL there are too many variables that a team can't control to make any sort of master plan.  It would be like trying to plan a perfect NCAA bracket.  It's just not going to happen.

 

There is a philosophy and that's as close as you'll get to a master plan.  Gettlemen's philosophy is to field the best possible team he can this year while cleaning up the cap mess.  With every free agent that we didn't sign it's because their projected production outweighed what we had or wanted to spend.  FA's really care 99% about the money with few exceptions.

 

FA is a lot like the NFL draft.  You don't get caught up with one player.  You take the best player available.  We'll have a wish list of FA and Gettlemen has ranked them and put a dollar value on them.  When that dollar value gets to high you compare overpaying that player with paying another position less by taking a player further down you list of player.  

 

I guarantee you that if you look at that list you'll start to see FA Gettlemen has rated high still on the "board" so to speak.  For example, we might have had Roman Harper the #3 SS on our list.  Let's say the all the top 10 get picked up except for Harper.  So, #3 and #11 are available.  Now, we can get #3 for a much more reasonable price than if we'd signed him the first day.  

 

This is just an example of how this works.  There are all kinds of variables changing  all the time in the "plan".  You have to roll with them and have about 10 backup plans for ever every situation.  Some you'll hit on and get a great player.  Others you'll lose out on like LT Colllins but you stick to your philosophy because there are always other options.  Sometimes it's a lesser player, sometimes it's having to scheme to minimize that shortcomings that are going to be there by not getting a certain level of player.  

 

Last year we ended up around plan 46 with our guards.  We ended up starting a young player converted from DT to guard.  Yes, we probably did a lot of things to help him out and that's OK.  We still won.  12-4.  Yes, we had a great defense but we still had to score some points.

 

When all is said and done we won't have gotten the top players on our list but we will have gotten the best players available for the right price.  And if you want to keep Cam and build a team that can compete for the Superbowl every year this is what we've got to do right now.  

 

That's the "plan".

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He is doing the same thing he did last offseason but everything is being blown out of proportion because we went 12-4 last season. Expectations are too high when, in reality, they shouldn't be. Ginn, LaFell, Captain, Mitchell, Mikell etc were never thought of as long-term options. Gettleman's goal is to get the team out of cap hell while keeping the team competitive, not signing mediocre players to long-term deals.

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12and 4  That's the reason we are in this position now.The folks we have lost became stars because of our front seven.  Most QB's don't throw well on run or on their backs.  They played well but lets see what happens to them now.  Our Defense is still good enough to win games almost by itself.

We have a QB that throws a lot of balls high, he is 6'4'' so maybe we gonna look for taller receivers.  He and Olsen seem to hook up at will with not many high passes.  Loosing a step and being vertically challenged could have been Smitty's down fall.  Plus that fire he had got us to many flags, would hold breathe every time he made catch no flag would fly.  Admit it you did too.

Lot of these guys played last season to get another chance and they earned it.  Hate to see Ginn and Mitchel go but where we at we can't pay them what they worth.

GMan doing all he can with what he got to work with.  I think it will be fine when football come around again.

 

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Yes, it's true.  Gettlemen doesn't really have a master plan.  There is no secret trick that we are not seeing.  That's a really good thing because in the NFL there are too many variables that a team can't control to make any sort of master plan.  It would be like trying to plan a perfect NCAA bracket.  It's just not going to happen.

 

There is a philosophy and that's as close as you'll get to a master plan.  Gettlemen's philosophy is to field the best possible team he can this year while cleaning up the cap mess.  With every free agent that we didn't sign it's because their projected production outweighed what we had or wanted to spend.  FA's really care 99% about the money with few exceptions.

 

FA is a lot like the NFL draft.  You don't get caught up with one player.  You take the best player available.  We'll have a wish list of FA and Gettlemen has ranked them and put a dollar value on them.  When that dollar value gets to high you compare overpaying that player with paying another position less by taking a player further down you list of player.  

 

I guarantee you that if you look at that list you'll start to see FA Gettlemen has rated high still on the "board" so to speak.  For example, we might have had Roman Harper the #3 SS on our list.  Let's say the all the top 10 get picked up except for Harper.  So, #3 and #11 are available.  Now, we can get #3 for a much more reasonable price than if we'd signed him the first day.  

 

This is just an example of how this works.  There are all kinds of variables changing  all the time in the "plan".  You have to roll with them and have about 10 backup plans for ever every situation.  Some you'll hit on and get a great player.  Others you'll lose out on like LT Colllins but you stick to your philosophy because there are always other options.  Sometimes it's a lesser player, sometimes it's having to scheme to minimize that shortcomings that are going to be there by not getting a certain level of player.  

 

Last year we ended up around plan 46 with our guards.  We ended up starting a young player converted from DT to guard.  Yes, we probably did a lot of things to help him out and that's OK.  We still won.  12-4.  Yes, we had a great defense but we still had to score some points.

 

When all is said and done we won't have gotten the top players on our list but we will have gotten the best players available for the right price.  And if you want to keep Cam and build a team that can compete for the Superbowl every year this is what we've got to do right now.  

 

That's the "plan".

 

You sound like you know something. The "plan" in regards to picking up free agents seems reasonable.  

 

 

 

I would guess that to tag or not to tag, makes a "master plan" impossible. It seems to me that it is more akin to gambling and going with your gut, or just having blind faith.  That and the ability to come up with a story in order to facilitate chopping off the head of a perceived snake is a little more murky.  

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You sound like you know something. The "plan" in regards to picking up free agents seems reasonable.  

 

 

 

I would guess that to tag or not to tag, makes a "master plan" impossible. It seems to me that it is more akin to gambling and going with your gut, or just having blind faith.  That and the ability to come up with a story in order to facilitate chopping off the head of a perceived snake is a little more murky.  

 

I heard a stat the other day that made a lot of sense to me.  An ex-GM said there is a stat out there that every GM know.  A draft pick works out 60% of the time.  A FA works out 40% of the time.  It's very easy to see why building through the draft is the way most teams build the core of their team.

 

And I how no inside connection.  No friends in the know.  I just ask Why?  

 

I think Gettlemen is a good judge of character/talent based on one we signed last season and how that worked on.  So if I believe that I ask "Why" would he make the decisions he's making knowing other variable such as Cap space, future signings like Cam, etc..  Then I just follow the logic.  

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