Continuity for Cam?

[Kurb]

I have a theory. Gentleman wanted Nicks to play for less for a longer period of time. Nicks wants either more spread over the long term or less now so that he can get his payday after this year.

In Nicks' mind he'll take 3.5 in year 1 if he can get 8 mil in year 2,3,4,5.

Gettleman wanted to lock him I'm at 4.5 for all years. I don't blame Nicks for believing in himself

Me either. Nor can I blame Gettleman for sticking to his offer.

 

I have my pitchfork ready.  I just want this to playout before I get it ready.

[Ken]

He was a great deep threat. Yes he had some drops but you had to keep deep coverage to his side which opens stuff up underneath.

Plus he was our only receiver that gave us decent yards after catch

Even when he is not directly a part of a play he would often impact the way defenses played coverage. That will have to be replaced

I agree with that but those things can be replaced. We can get a speedy WR just like Ginn in the draft.

While he provided those things, he wasn't anywhere consistent catching and we rarely even used his yac ability because he has a limited route tree to truly exploit his speed. (Or maybe Shula sucks. ;) )

[AceBoogie]

how is it that I keep seeing more than a few people refer to "huddle logic" in different ways?

How about the only logical thing is to let the man with the proven track record prove himself ineffective before you slight his proven record and assume he's ineffective..

that would be completely logical, if we were to use logical logic within huddle logic...

We talking about the same man that's a second year gm that couldn't land a GM job for decades? What proven track record?

[*FreeFua*]

I have a theory. Gentleman wanted Nicks to play for less for a longer period of time. Nicks wants either more spread over the long term or less now so that he can get his payday after this year.

In Nicks' mind he'll take 3.5 in year 1 if he can get 8 mil in year 2,3,4,5.

Gettleman wanted to lock him I'm at 4.5 for all years. I don't blame Nicks for believing in himself

I think Nicks knew if he signed with Carolina he'd most likely always be going head to head against the other teams top corner.

The Colts have Wayne and Hilton to help take the attention of Nicks in Indy. Carolina has no one. Nicks has alot better of a chance putting up solid numbers in Indy and getting a solid contract next off season then he does playing in Carolina.

I really don't think it was a tough decision for Nicks. Plus the AFC south is pretty weak, Indy has a better chance of going back to the post season than Carolina. Receivers can really help their cause by having a good playoff game or two.

[bleys]

We talking about the same man that's a second year gm that couldn't land a GM job for decades? What proven track record?

 

 

he has 1 proven year under him and 1 week in FA does not unravel all of that. Pretending like not landing a GM job has any weight on that fact is a bad argument if we are going to use any logic at all.

 

Kurb just said it best.

[AceBoogie]

Me either. Nor can I blame Gettleman for sticking to his offer.

I have my pitchfork ready. I just want this to playout before I get it ready.

I wouldn't blame him either if the current roster was different, I think everyone here was clinging on that signing for a sign of hope. Maybe to him we aren't as desperate as we appear to be.

[AceBoogie]

I think Nicks knew if he signed with Carolina he'd most likely always be going head to head against the other teams top corner.

The Colts have Wayne and Hilton to help take the attention of Nicks in Indy. Carolina has no one. Nicks has alot better of a chance putting up solid numbers in Indy and getting a solid contract next off season then he does playing in Carolina.

I really don't think it was a tough decision for Nicks. Plus the AFC south is pretty weak, Indy has a better chance of going back to the post season than Carolina. Receivers can really help their cause by having a good playoff game or two.

That's true, he said he wanted to be that missing piece. Couldn't be that here

[AceBoogie]

he has 1 proven year under him and 1 week in FA does not unravel all of that. Pretending like not landing a GM job has any weight on that fact is a bad argument if we are going to use any logic at all.

Kurb just said it best.

We're all waiting for something Amazing

[bleys]

We're all waiting for something Amazing

 

that doesn't mean you have to use any excuse you can find to undermine something you do not understand.  and if it turns out Gettleman suddenly became neurotic then we all will see it all for what it is.  

 

we can still have discussions without exaggerating the points people are trying to make and then pretending like "gettleman never got a gm job!" holds much weight based on what we've actually experienced through 1 year of him at GM..

[mcdougal]

So are you saying that the argument that we needed to upgrade the WR corps and that the guys we have lost so far are either over the hill or weren't that good is a very bad one??

 

And that until we see what Gettleman does in free agency and the draft we should criticize him is a good one???

 

Np one is saying it is going to get better or worse.  What I and other sane posters are saying is that until we see what happens, it is way too early to judge if it is getting better or worse. But at this point we didn't lose much.

 

The argument that we needed to upgrade the WR position, IMO, is without question a valid one. We must upgrade the WR position. The fact that these guys are over the hill and aren't that good is even more reason to replace them.

 

However, again, just because they were poor NFL WRs (and needed to be replaced) doesn't mean that they should all be thrown out...at once...for seemingly a plan of rookies and second tier FA WRs as replacements. These rookies and second tier FA WRs may all end up being worse than what we already had in place. That's all. There should be a either a transitional  period (to groom the replacements) or replacements that have a history of being better than what we had.

 

Also, it begs the question. What does it say about McNutt if he could not see the field given the poor production of the WRs this season? It may mean that McNutt is even worse than the poor WRs already out there.

[IGSaint]

The argument that we needed to upgrade the WR position, IMO, is without question a valid one. We must upgrade the WR position. The fact that these guys are over the hill and aren't that good is even more reason to replace them.

 

However, again, just because they were poor NFL WRs (and needed to be replaced) doesn't mean that they should all be thrown out...at once...for seemingly a plan of rookies and second tier FA WRs as replacements. These rookies and second tier FA WRs may all end up being worse than what we already had in place. That's all. There should be a either a transitional  period (to groom the replacements) or replacements that have a history of being better than what we had.

 

Also, it begs the question. What does it say about McNutt if he could not see the field given the poor production of the WRs this season? It may mean that McNutt is even worse than the poor WRs already out there.

 

You guys keep saying that we threw away our receivers when that isn't true. Lafell and Ginn would have stayed had the price been right. There is no reason to hamstring the cap even further to hold onto average receivers. Gettleman didn't look at the roster and say let me throw them all out just because he felt like it. He did it so that he doesn't turn into another hurney by paying more than what they were worth. Ginn is overpaid in arizona and Lafell is overpaid in new england. What you are basically saying is that gettleman should of matched or went over what they were offered from those teams. It's ridiculous. 

[The Huddler]

You don't know who our starting receivers are going to be. You can't say that he will mostly be throwing to WRs who have never caught a pass in the NFL.

[The Huddler]

If we wanted continuity, we would had to break the bank for WRs who didn't produce all that well to begin with. I like our chances with guys that gettleman believes are better players

[mcdougal]

Cam isn't elite. I love the guy and think he's really good, but he's not elite. Bringing up things Payton or Brady can do doesn't mean much of anything. Also, the clownshoes way we are handling this whole "franchise qb" situation isn't really helping Newton's chances of reaching that level.

 

When we hired our bad offensive coordinator it was argued that continuity was very important for Newton's development. When we re-upped his contract, the same argument was made. Now that Gettleman lost/purged anyone from last season who can catch besides Olsen, continuity is overrated and not needed? Stop.

 

Well said. You won't find a bigger Cam defender, but Cam is not Brady (not yet at least) and he should not be expected to be. To bring up first ballot, certain-lock HOFer, one of the greatest QBs in NFL history, Brady and use him as an example is asinine.

 

Jay Cutler, Philip Rivers, and Matt Ryan, etc are not even expected to turn practice squad players into legit NFL WRs. And of course, they are paid as, and held up as, certain franchise QBs.

 

Until we give Newton the type of contracts and concessions--such as allowing him to have complete control over the offense (in addition to MVP awards, NFL rules named after him, etc.) that are given to Brady and Manning, then we can talk about Newton needed to make those around him better. Until then, Newton needs every bit of help (and more) than Brady or Manning.