Continuity for Cam?

[teeray]

I agree if you mean as a reliable/consistent KR/PR.

Ginn has speed but wasn't that great as a deep threat. I remember a few balls he could have caught deep but he had problems with ball location and crocodile arms. His speed is always a threat tho.

He was a great deep threat. Yes he had some drops but you had to keep deep coverage to his side which opens stuff up underneath.

Plus he was our only receiver that gave us decent yards after catch

Even when he is not directly a part of a play he would often impact the way defenses played coverage. That will have to be replaced

[carolinanimal]

How come every time we either don't get someone or someone leaves they either sucked, are easy to replace, or we didn't want them anyway?

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[Kurb]

Perhaps this is the process for building said continuity. Other than 89 none of the WR's that have left are worth what they were paid. Smith will be 35 soon, so he isnt a long term answer.

 

I am upset we didn't get Nicks, but other options with high upside are still out there. Much like the CB situation last season, we have to let this play out and see how much cream rises to the top.

 

As a fan base were are not accustom to this turnover, but IMO this is the process to establish a young core on both sides of the football and get this team set for long term success

[IGSaint]

If it doesn't take a genius to pick up a playbook and learn a system, then do you mind telling me why king and Mcnutt sat in street clothes all year? Since they can easily top the production we have. Why weren't they on the field? Can't say chemistry because you've already said that isn't important, can't say they didn't know the system because that's easy too right? So what's left? Maybe they aren't as good as Lafell and Ginn?

 

Are you new to the NFL? Guys like Mcnutt and Tavares didn't see the field for the same reason mike mitchell didn't see the field in oakland. Circumstances put them there and the coaches went with what they know over what they don't know. But I guess according to you anyone who doesn't see the field is crap right? Gettleman has watched their practices so obviously he knows more than some guy on the internet who wants to poo poo everything. 

[Jon Snow]

Just because Cam is good enough to make it work doesn't mean it isn't stupid to let go of every receiver. Instead of learning new stuff and taking their games to the next level most of the offseason is gonna be spent teaching the basic playbook to a whole group of new guys (with no one to mentor them either). Its basically an offseason of development for Cam down the drain. I wonder how Proehl feels at the moment. Imagine busting your ass on a year long project and your boss comes in and throws it all the dumpster and tells you to start over.

We won't know if it's stupid as you say until we see whomever they put on the field to replace these guys and how they perform. It's a big gamble I agree but to say it's stupid is a bit much. I try to be objective when looking at the situation as a whole and taking everything into account, cap, locker room rumors, production of those that departed and the money they got and it isn't hard to say that the team doesn't have much choice but to take the route they are taking. We needed new blood at the WR position and no one can dispute that. I just feel that the way it has played out so far was pretty much how it could only go. Gettleman gambled that maybe a few of these guys not named Steve may just not get an offer above what he evaluated was their worth but I'm sure he had a back up plan if these guys got over paid. Like others have said it's early in the off season process so panic is far from warranted at the stage. So with that being said, no team wants to be in our unfortunate position right now with having to replace all the top receivers on the depth chart in one off season. But our depth chart wasn't that great to begin with so it's not too much of a hit right now. If Hurney were still here I would be panicking like some here are but we have a guy who's bread and butter is evaluating talent, or that's what the experts say, so let's takes a deep breath and see where we are in September. Sent from my Nexus 7 using CarolinaHuddle mobile app

[AceBoogie]

How come every time we either don't get someone or someone leaves they either sucked, are easy to replace, or we didn't want them anyway?

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That's huddle logic. If we didn't sign them or they leave, The Great Dave Gettleman must have deemed them no good.

[AceBoogie]

Perhaps this is the process for building said continuity. Other than 89 none of the WR's that have left are worth what they were paid. Smith will be 35 soon, so he isnt a long term answer.

I am upset we didn't get Nicks, but other options with high upside are still out there. Much like the CB situation last season, we have to let this play out and see how much cream rises to the top.

As a fan base were are not accustom to this turnover, but IMO this is the process to establish a young core on both sides of the football and get this team set for long term success

I 100% agree, but the problem arises when you aren't able to obtain such young talent like a Hakeem Nicks.

[Hammerin'Cameron34]

If our 1st pick is a WR that figures to be our PR and KR too or any reciever we pick up in the draft could take on those duties in fact so losing Ginn is minimal.

[Kurb]

I 100% agree, but the problem arises when you aren't able to obtain such young talent like a Hakeem Nicks.

without knowing the whole story it's hard to speculate on exactly what happened there.

[carolinanimal]

My only real question about this off season is this. If Dave gettleman gets all the credit for our 12-4 season then if we have a losing season will he get the blame?

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[mcdougal]

Once again we had a bottom ten offense.  Nobody but Olsen and Cam did much at all. I don't know that a rookie couldn't match what Ginn or LaFell did on offense.  Stop acting like we just lost great players.  Smith was declining and the other guys were JAGs.  Lets be real here, why couldn't McNutt or Pilares match what LaFell or Ginn did last year.  I am sure we will bring in other guys but we didn't exactly have very productive guys to begin with.  Cam make them better than they were and will do the same with whoever we pick up.

 

You guys keep making this argument and it is a really, really, really bad argument. I am not going to criticized the strategy  yet because a. the offseason is not over and b. maybe this strategy will work. But you guys are acting like just because we had a bad offense last year that it cannot get worst. Even the worst NFL offense in history can get worse.

 

In other words, just because you hate your job, get paid pennies, and struggle to make ends meet doesn't mean it is okay to just up and quit or get fired. You didn't lose a great job, but it can certainly get worse if you just leave. A more prudent way to go about it is to hold onto said job and attempt to locate and the transition into a better one.

 

Smith, Lafell, Ginn, and Hixon were poor NFL talent last year. But they were NFL talent. For all we know McNutt and Pilares CAN'T match what Lafell or Ginn did last year. For all we know, whatever draft and 2nd tier FA WRs we bring in are not even NFL talent (vs. just poor NFL talent).

 

I agree that our WR core needed to revamped. But to revamp it in this manner without already having the replacements in place is ballsy. And to do it with practice squad/ 2 tier FA WRs and a rookie that will be the 28th pick, and probably the 5th WR off the board is almost suicidal.  

 

I would criticize our GM until I see the product on the field in the regular season, but this "O, it can't get any worse" talk is a complete fallacy. 

[AceBoogie]

without knowing the whole story it's hard to speculate on exactly what happened there.

I have a theory. Gentleman wanted Nicks to play for less for a longer period of time. Nicks wants either more spread over the long term or less now so that he can get his payday after this year.

In Nicks' mind he'll take 3.5 in year 1 if he can get 8 mil in year 2,3,4,5.

Gettleman wanted to lock him I'm at 4.5 for all years. I don't blame Nicks for believing in himself

[panthers55]

You guys keep making this argument and it is a really, really, really bad argument. I am not going to criticized the strategy  yet because a. the offseason is not over and b. maybe this strategy will work. But you guys are acting like just because we had a bad offense last year that it cannot get worst. Even the worst NFL offense in history can get worse.

 

In other words, just because you hate your job, get paid pennies, and struggle to make ends meet doesn't mean it is okay to just up and quit or get fired. You didn't lose a great job, but it can certainly get worse if you just leave. A more prudent way to go about it is to hold onto said job and attempt to locate and the transition into a better one.

 

Smith, Lafell, Ginn, and Hixon were poor NFL talent last year. But they were NFL talent. For all we know McNutt and Pilares CAN'T match what Lafell or Ginn did last year. For all we know, whatever draft and 2nd tier FA WRs we bring in are not even NFL talent (vs. just poor NFL talent).

 

I agree that our WR core needed to revamped. But to revamp it in this manner without already having the replacements in place is ballsy. And to do it with practice squad/ 2 tier FA WRs and a rookie that will be the 28th pick, and probably the 5th WR off the board is almost suicidal.  

 

I would criticize our GM until I see the product on the field in the regular season, but this "O, it can't get any worse" talk is a complete fallacy. 

So are you saying that the argument that we needed to upgrade the WR corps and that the guys we have lost so far are either over the hill or weren't that good is a very bad one??

 

And that until we see what Gettleman does in free agency and the draft we should criticize him is a good one???

 

Np one is saying it is going to get better or worse.  What I and other sane posters are saying is that until we see what happens, it is way too early to judge if it is getting better or worse. But at this point we didn't lose much.

[bleys]

That's huddle logic. If we didn't sign them or they leave, The Great Dave Gettleman must have deemed them no good.

 

how is it that I keep seeing more than a few people refer to "huddle logic" in different ways?  

 

How about the only logical thing is to let the man with the proven track record prove himself ineffective before you slight his proven record and assume he's ineffective..

 

that would be completely logical, if we were to use logical logic within huddle logic...