Huddle opinion....who agrees with the complete overhaul we are seeing

[SuperJTheGreat]

[R0CKnR0LLA]

If Collins and Nicks would have signed the contracts we offered we'd be in real good shape right now.

 

They're making comparable reasonable offers and guys are just deciding to sign elsewhere for whatever reason. I'm not a fan of overpaying someone cause you feel you just HAVE to have them. That's a Hurney move.

[pantherphan96]

Hurney didn't tag Hardy for 13 mil

 

You are right, he signed Charles Johnson to a contract lasting 6 years costing us 16 million in cap space this year. Hurney was a poo GM, and people are bashing Gettleman just because the team is changing. Time for the fans to suck it up, I would rather see Smith leave now when people miss him than stay here and get worse and worse until people are secretly hoping he retires.

[pantherphan96]

Think about this, how would you feel if the Panthers were out of cash because they resigned Ginn and Mitchell and Munnerlyn when its time for Cam to get an extension, or when its time for Kuechly or Star or other important young core players? I would rather bite the bullet now and survive and keep the main part of our team intact.

[@bonafidebanter]

I wonder how the people in KC are doing. They lost at least 3 of their lineman and their slot receiver. AND they really haven't signed anyone either.

[AubPanther]

I agree with it. 

 

12-4 and a loss in the divisional round was probably the ceiling for this team.  Watching the team all year I never felt we had enough to win the Super Bowl, specifically in the secondary and across the board on offense, outside of our QB. 

 

The CAP is the CAP.  We are in such a tight predicament because of Hurney's mistakes and many of you want Gettleman to do the exact same thing...overspend on veterans and current Panthers. 

 

I know you can back load contracts to squeeze guys in, but you are never one player away from being a great franchise.  The Broncos are pushing all their chips to the table for this year or next.  Maybe they get one Super Bowl, but after Peyton retires and all these veterans they are signing become garbage, they are going to have to completely rebuild.

 

We on the other hand have a premier young QB, and the best young LB in the game.  Why go out, overspend, and back load contracts to try and win now?

You'd be risking the prime of Cam's and Luke's careers by only trying to win in the short term.  Then in five years you can't pay anybody and your young stars want to leave.  Remember when everyone was calling the Eagles a dream team? Completely backfired. 

 

It's important right now to build around the young core we have with Cam, Luke, and Star with more young talent that can be here for the long-haul.  You do that through the draft and then bargain shopping in free agency to fill holes.  That's how the Patriots and Seahawks do it.

[Mr. Scot]

Hurney didn't tag Hardy for 13 mil

 

He did, however, once use a franchise tag on a punter (Todd Sauerbrun).

 

Hurney also placed a transition tag on DeShaun Foster, meaning he had to be paid a salary equivalent to the average of the top ten runningback salaries in the league.  That was after choosing to draft Foster over Clinton Portis.

 

This is also the guy who traded away a future first round pick for Everette Brown and a future second rounder for Armanti Edwards.

 

That's not someone I would use as an example of good value judgment.

[Ruff]

The thing that doesn't make sense to me is that we tagged Hardy like we were getting ready to go all-in or something, yet, when it came down to it, that was the worst decision we could've made. That single move has strapped what little cash we've had this offseason. I understand that Hardy is a very, very talented player, but what was it Dave said? "You can have two or three players eating up all your cap space"? Yeah, well, it looks like he fuged himself because he panicked. 

 

I'm aware that the draft is coming up. This draft isn't that loaded. We can't fill three secondary spots, three wide receiver positions, a LT, a LG, a RG, a RT, another TE, etc in just one draft, and truly draft BPA. 

 

And I swear, if we draft a fuging DE or DT because he was the "best player available to us at that time", I'm going to fuging rage.

[pantherphan96]

One final thought, Steve Smith was mainly not utilized his first year as a Panther. As a fast, undersized return man he began his career without much fanfare. It is possible that these "nobody's" we have as WRs for next year (Bersin, King, McNutt, Pilares) could possibly be the answer. I doubt that they will become hall-of-fame talented WRs like Smith, but there is no reason that some or even one of these guys won't become a good slot receiver or possible #2. Look at a guy like Andrew Hawkins of the Bengals: young, fast, decent hands, mainly returns punts and kicks. He may become one of the most dynamic slot receivers in the next few years with his skill set. There are guys we have that could be the next big thing, you just have to trust the professionals whose job it is to scout and evaluate these players. And since there is nothing I can do personally besides complain and argue otherwise, I will leave them to decide what is right for the franchise.

[CelibatePimp]

still team Gettleman. #IGWT

[Ruff]

One final thought, Steve Smith was mainly not utilized his first year as a Panther. As a fast, undersized return man he began his career without much fanfare. It is possible that these "nobody's" we have as WRs for next year (Bersin, King, McNutt, Pilares) could possibly be the answer. I doubt that they will become hall-of-fame talented WRs like Smith, but there is no reason that some or even one of these guys won't become a good slot receiver or possible #2. Look at a guy like Andrew Hawkins of the Bengals: young, fast, decent hands, mainly returns punts and kicks. He may become one of the most dynamic slot receivers in the next few years with his skill set. There are guys we have that could be the next big thing, you just have to trust the professionals whose job it is to scout and evaluate these players. And since there is nothing I can do personally besides complain and argue otherwise, I will leave them to decide what is right for the franchise.

If Pilares is your answer, then I don't want to see what the question is.

[pantherphan96]

The thing that doesn't make sense to me is that we tagged Hardy like we were getting ready to go all-in or something, yet, when it came down to it, that was the worst decision we could've made. That single move has strapped what little cash we've had this offseason. I understand that Hardy is a very, very talented player, but what was it Dave said? "You can have two or three players eating up all your cap space"? Yeah, well, it looks like he fuged himself because he panicked. 

 

I'm aware that the draft is coming up. This draft isn't that loaded. We can't fill three secondary spots, three wide receiver positions, a LT, a LG, a RG, a RT, another TE, etc in just one draft, and truly draft BPA. 

 

And I swear, if we draft a fuging DE or DT because he was the "best player available to us at that time", I'm going to fuging rage.

 

We don't need another TE, Olsen is the receiving TE and Brockel is the blocking TE. It's possible that Brandon Williams could become a good receiving TE too, with his athletic build and good height. I agree that the draft is not loaded, but I think that it goes pretty deep. If the front office scouts correctly, I could see us getting good value rookies who can contribute at guard, tackle, secondary, and wide receiver. I expect us to grab 2 big offensive lineman early, to go along with Bell, Williams, Silatolu,  and Kugbila. Then I expect an underrated WR from a mid-major school, and then possibly a couple CBs.

[pantherphan96]

If Pilares is your answer, then I don't want to see what the question is.

 

C'mon man, he was merely an example. That does not change the point of what I said. Yes, Pilares is most likely not the answer, and I do not really want him as a KR/PR, but no one really knows what Bersin, McNutt, and King can do. I think that McNutt could be solid,

[pantherphan96]

The thing that pisses me off the most, is the fact that Josh Norman will somehow still not play during the regular season despite grabbing 5 INTs in preseason yet we will witness Josh Thomas get burned over and over again and do stupid ish constantly if we do not upgrade at CB.