Nicks visiting the Colts tonight

[Proudiddy]

Still only March 13th...

 

Scot, you know probably as well as anyone... 

 

How often are you going to find a rookie to come in and make an impact and contribute?  One rookie?  Very likely.

 

Two or more rookies?  Not as likely.

 

Three or more rookies?  Pretty much impossible.

 

We defied the odds with Star, KK, and to a degree Klein last season.  Also, may have found gems in White and Lester as UDFAs, but that is certainly an aberration and not the norm.

 

And as I've said elsewhere, the likelihood of find vets to replace what we just lost at this point is almost as impossible... 

 

Yes, there is time left.  Just as there was last offseason when people were getting squirmy, but we didn't have our virtually every impact player outside of Cam and the defensive front seven poached.  We needed to add to what we established not take away from it and then hope for the best - which is what we're doing.

 

[Mr. Scot]

Scot, you know probably as well as anyone... 

 

How often are you going to find a rookie to come in and make an impact and contribute?  One rookie?  Very likely.

 

Two or more rookies?  Not as likely.

 

Three or more rookies?  Pretty much impossible.

 

We defied the odds with Star, KK, and to a degree Klein last season.  Also, may have found gems in White and Lester as UDFAs, but that is certainly an aberration and not the norm.

 

And as I've said elsewhere, the likelihood of find vets to replace what we just lost at this point is almost as impossible... 

 

Yes, there is time left.  Just as there was last offseason when people were getting squirmy, but we didn't have our virtually every impact player outside of Cam and the defensive front seven poached.  We needed to add to what we established not take away from it and then hope for the best - which is what we're doing.

 

 

As I recall, early last offseason we were 15 million over the cap with gaping holes on the roster, no winning seasons since 2008 and a coach who was on the hot seat.

 

From that point, we went to 12-4, a division championship, a playoff game and several pro bowlers.

 

I'd say it's definitely way too early to know anything definitive.

[lola]

Look, idc what his freaking plan WAS. Right now, it has all turned to crap. We are losing players at a rate where we can't possibly sign enough one year deal guys to make up for it. No one of much substance anyway. Yeah, I'm panicking and it's March and I don't care.

[TheRed]

As I recall, early last offseason we were 15 million over the cap with gaping holes on the roster, no winning seasons since 2008 and a coach who was on the hot seat.

 

From that point, we went to 12-4, a division championship, a playoff game and several pro bowlers.

 

I'd say it's definitely way too early to know anything definitive.

 

I would be careful making comparisons to last offseason. We were coming off a losing season for one, and still started 1-3. Just how much of a part did the leadership that we've recently lost play a part in that turnaround by the way? People can downplay it, but we know better.

[Proudiddy]

As I recall, early last offseason we were 15 million over the cap with gaping holes on the roster, no winning seasons since 2008 and a coach who was on the hot seat.

 

From that point, we went to 12-4, a division championship, a playoff game and several pro bowlers.

 

I'd say it's definitely way too early to know anything definitive.

 

True.  But, the issue with our franchise and fanbase has been the complacency that follows a successful campaign. 

 

We aren't that team that went into last offseason.

 

We are now division champions who went 12-4, made the playoffs, and had SOME limited cap room going into FA.  We, as many successful teams do, have had our roster poached of talent that helped make that 12-4 season happen.

 

There is a huge difference between having nowhere to go but up (as last offseason began), and coming off a 12-4 season in which we're looking to improve and/or maintain.  There's a lot more room for things to go wrong for the 12-4 team.

[Way Truth Life]

Nicks was not and is not the answer. There is not a #1 FA WR available. Steve Smith was forced to play the #1 when he should have moved to the slot 3 years ago. The Panthers have smoke and mirrored the WR position ever since Proel, Moose and Smith were together...since then...Smith has been forced to carry the load. Blame cheap arse Richardson.

[Mr. Scot]

True.  But, the issue with our franchise and fanbase has been the complaceny that follows a successful campaign. 

 

We aren't that team that went into last offseason.

 

We are now division champions who went 12-4, made the playoffs, and had SOME limited cap room going into FA.  We, as many successful teams do, have had our roster poached of talent that helped make that 12-4 season happen.

 

There is a huge difference between having nowhere to go but up (as last offseason began), and coming off a 12-4 season in which we're looking to improve and/or maintain.  There's a lot more room for things to go wrong for the 12-4 team.

 

If it's the price of success, I'm okay with it.

 

[LinvilleGorge]

Nicks was not and is not the answer. There is not a #1 FA WR available. Steve Smith was forced to play the #1 when he should have moved to the slot 3 years ago. The Panthers have smoke and mirrored the WR position ever since Proel, Moose and Smith were together...since then...Smith has been forced to carry the load. Blame cheap arse Richardson.

 

It feels like I've said it a thousand times since Smitty was released, but it doesn't matter what you want to label a guy.  If it makes you feel better saying that so and so isn't a #1, so who cares if we don't sign him, that's fine.  But we need an entire WR corps.  We have zero proven NFL WRs on our roster right now.  Everyone obsesses about this mythical "#1 WR", but what is that?  How many of those guys are there in the NFL? 

[TheRed]

If it's the price of success, I'm okay with it.

 

 

What? One playoff appearance in 5 years, and suddenly we're successful?

[Mr. Scot]

What? One playoff appearance in 5 years, and suddenly we're successful?

 

Talking about being perennial contenders.

 

Successful teams lose good players on an annual basis, but they build to absorb it.

 

I see us just starting that process.

 

[Way Truth Life]

What? One playoff appearance in 5 years, and suddenly we're successful?

The sad part is we are being cherry picked like a Superbowl team...the good news is we are losing plug in and role players other than Gross and Smith...the bad news is these guys all developed well under Rivera and now we are starting over.

[TheRed]

Talking about being perennial contenders.

 

Successful teams lose good players on an annual basis, but they build to absorb it.

 

I see us just starting that process.

 

 

All depends on whether or not Gettleman can successfully build through the draft consistently like Hurney could not.

 

May, where are you?

[MadHatter]

Nicks was not and is not the answer. There is not a #1 FA WR available. Steve Smith was forced to play the #1 when he should have moved to the slot 3 years ago. The Panthers have smoke and mirrored the WR position ever since Proel, Moose and Smith were together...since then...Smith has been forced to carry the load. Blame cheap arse Richardson.

God you are a fuging moron.

Cheap ass Richardson? We are over the cap because of all the contracts he handed out. We may have neglected the WR position in the past because they were determined to be a power running team . But cheap is not something the Panthers have been.

[MadHatter]

What? One playoff appearance in 5 years, and suddenly we're successful?

No. What Gett is now doing is the price to be successful. We are still in cap hell and restructuring some if these guys now to sign mid tier fa's would extend that hell.

Hurney left us in dire straights. Gett is trying to right the ship. Is his seat why going to work? Hope so, but don't know. What I do know us that sometimes it has to get worse before it can get better.