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[Captroop]

Not the same.  You can go over budget and it only impact the profitability.  You cannot go over the cap....it is a hard ceiling.

 

Bad analogy

 

Tell that to the Redskins, they went over the cap, and got punished for it.

 

You go over your budget, you lose money. You go over the cap, you get fined and lose money. Same premise if not a perfect comparison.

 

[MadHatter]

The secondary benefitted from an amazing front 7. Outside of Mitchell, and to an extent Captain, all that really happened is we were able to disguise the mediocrity of our secondary with the fiercest pass rush I've seen in Panthers history.

 

I know it's thought out, and I know it's early. I'm just really pessimistic of our chances to adequately fill all of our gaps on offense in the time, and more importantly, with the money we have at our disposal. Basically we will need to repeat the same thing we did with the secondary last year, and disguise our offense somehow.

 

Basically I imaging Cam being Bugs Bunny playing all the entire positions himself.

 

I think that WR will work itself out.  Adding a player like Nicks and taking a WR in the 1st or 2nd would leave us no worse off than last season.

 

I do agree with you that OT is a big concern.

[JJman]

Smith isn't even being cut because of his cap space apparently.

I swear the people saying "it's a business" are only saying it because they believe Dave Gettleman is some bad ass mad scientist who will be the messiah of this franchise.

Steve Smith is the most iconic Carolina player ever, and treating him like crap and cutting him is an embarrassment to the franchise. I'll always be a panther fan, so I'm always up for doing what's best for the team. But I do not see how this is what's best for the team.

[MadHatter]

Tell that to the Redskins, they went over the cap, and got punished for it.

 

You go over your budget, you lose money. You go over the cap, you get fined and lose money. Same premise if not a perfect comparison.

 

 

You are REALLY bad at analogies.

Going over costs in a restaurant business and having a minor profitability issue is NOT the same thing as violating a hard cap and being fined by the league.

[iamhubby1]

Not gonna lie. I just happen to believe there are far too many kids on this board whose parents never told them no. Throw a hissy fit and you got your way. Me, me, me, I, I, I, gimme, gimme, gimme.

I am sure the Panthers will have to fold their tent when all you kids decide to quit being fans. Cuz you know, if your hissy fit doesn't work, you will have to do something drastic. Maybe holding your breath will make the FO wise up. Ya, that's the ticket.

Kids...It would be funny, if it weren't so sad.

[t96]

Ummmmmmmm... dude.

What?

[MadHatter]

Smith isn't even being cut because of his cap space apparently.

I swear the people saying "it's a business" are only saying it because they believe Dave Gettleman is some bad ass mad scientist who will be the messiah of this franchise.

Steve Smith is the most iconic Carolina player ever, and treating him like crap and cutting him is an embarrassment to the franchise. I'll always be a panther fan, so I'm always up for doing what's best for the team. But I do not see how this is what's best for the team.

 

Most aging players get cut from their original teams....even the long time stars.  It is a fact of the NFL.

 

By not cutting him for Cap reasons, that tells us that there is a whole lot more that went on behind the scenes that we don't know.  There is no way JR would allow Gett to jettison Smitty just because he felt like being a dick. 

[Captroop]

You are REALLY bad at analogies.

Going over costs in a restaurant business and having a minor profitability issue is NOT the same thing as violating a hard cap and being fined by the league.

 

Well, uh...Both are indicative of poor management...Can we agree on that?

[bleys]

Okay, about this whole "it's a business" thing, and specifically the ostensible business gurus on this particular message board chiding everyone else for not knowing as much businessy business as they do. Yeah, I can see how you saving money on players and clearing more cap space is a business decision, but the problem with this whole business analogy, is that player salaries aren't where franchises make money.

 

Last I checked, franchises make money from US, the fans. WE pay for tickets, WE pay for $9 beers, WE pay for merchandise. So if you are going to insist on sticking with this "it's a business" mantra, then keep this in mind: What pays their bills is what keeps us happy, and the tens of millions they gain by cutting Smith is insignificant compared to the hundreds of millions they stand to lose by pissing off the loyal fans and putting a crappy product on the field.

 

So to those who keep saying it's a business decision, here is a business analogy for you: You own a restaurant. And to save a couple thousand dollars per month, you cut your most popular item (Did I say most popular? I meant all-time best selling, Michelin star rated, and Zagat reviewed dish) from the menu, and replace it with...well nothing basically. You've promised the customers that you're going to replace it with something similar eventually, but something much cheaper, and you're not really sure of the quality. So yeah, you saved a couple bucks, but you just gave a HUGE middle finger to your customers. But even so, you expect them to come back and keep shelling out money like they used to, because hey! After all it's the same restaurant isn't it?

 

Business.

 

 

I hear what you're saying but the fact is fans are going to keep eating at the restaurant located on Mint St...  And apparently there is some future cap relief to go along with it.

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

gettlemen please just cut smith now. this board has never been worse

[tiger7_88]

What?

Didn't see your later explanation.

Losing 3 days of sleep over your favorite player being cut would have been really sad and pathetic.

Right?

[MadHatter]

Well, uh...Both are indicative of poor management...Can we agree on that?

 

Or in the case of the restaurant....maybe bad budgeting or cost assumptions.

 

But basically yes, poor management.

[t96]

Didn't see your later explanation.

Losing 3 days of sleep over your favorite player being cut would have been really sad and pathetic.

Right?

Right. There are so many things more important than football. The only one who could rightfully lose sleep over this is Smitty himself.

[EightyNine]

The secondary benefitted from an amazing front 7. Outside of Mitchell, and to an extent Captain, all that really happened is we were able to disguise the mediocrity of our secondary with the fiercest pass rush I've seen in Panthers history.

 

I know it's thought out, and I know it's early. I'm just really pessimistic of our chances to adequately fill all of our gaps on offense in the time, and more importantly, with the money we have at our disposal. Basically we will need to repeat the same thing we did with the secondary last year, and disguise our offense somehow.

 

Basically I imaging Cam being Bugs Bunny playing all the entire positions himself.

This is a concept that I am trying to believe in more and more and get comfortable with because of Dave Gettleman:  You can't look for instant gratification.  And that doesn't mean that you are giving up on this season.  When you are trying to achieve sustained success, you can't fill every hole in the offseason.  You have to find cheap talent, while you build over time.  That is a hard thing to do, but I believe now that it is what you have to do if you don't want to ride the up and down rollercoaster that we have been riding for years.. The best GMs make their money by finding cheap talent, and they don't put the future health of the budget in jeopardy, because they thought they needed someone right now.

 

Look how much turnover the Patriots have.  They keep the pieces that they believe are gonna be important for sustained success and find a way to replace the others.  It seems like every year, everyone wonders how they are gonna replace the guys that leave or get injured and all they do is go to the playoffs. Thats what the good teams are able to do, and thats what Gettleman is going to do.  So get used to it, because i think everyone will understand it and be happy about it in time..