Smith Perspective: A Voth-man prophecy

[mattnasty919]

Haven't read, but pie for the thread title alone.

Is pie a good or bad thing?

[SCP]

Is pie a good or bad thing?

If you're talking pecan or apple it's a good thing. But if you're talking lemon merengue or key lime it's fuging horrible.

[Argus Plexus]

Never said I hate Gett Dawg, just said cutting Smitty is a bad idea.

[jtm]

I think as a June 1st he frees up like 3 or 4 mil not 100% on that though

I think this is correct and makes all the difference in the world. The 1 million savings is for 2015 (I believe) and the Panthers save 4 million in 2014 in cap space by cutting Smith. Can anyone confirm or deny this???

If this is correct and Panthers pick up Nicks for a one year deal for 4-5 million, this all makes sense. If they do not, I am scratching my head.

[FootballMaestro]

Learning curve? WTF. DG ain't in no learning curve. The guy has been in the GM and scouting department for many many years. The guy knows what he is doing. The guy has help to build 6 SB winning teams. Including the Giants. The guy ain't learning. He knows  what he is doing from the start. Just some fans are over reacting and not giving DG time to do his work. FA ain't even started and everyone is thinking the sky is falling. People need to chill and let DG do his job and see how every thing pans out.

He probably meant as a PR person. 

 

Yes, DG is a very experienced personnel guy. However, he was never the front man, and hence the lack of tact and protocol when speaking with the press (unless done on purpose). 

[FootballMaestro]

You don't think the other players know it's a cut throat business? Of course they do, that's why they hold out, try to get everything they can while they can. I doubt very seriously this deters any FA's.

Also, Smith knows the end is near.

 

That's why you saw/heard him on the radio last year. And this is the same reason, we saw him on ESPN talking about the draft last week.  Smith, himself is planning for the future, it appears.

 

And why is it, I'm feeling Smith wouldn't take a pay cut has something to do with him saying to himself "why should I take a pay cut, just so Gettlemen will take that money and pay Cam $20 mil"????????????

[FootballMaestro]

In the interest of level headed, intelligent football conversation I'd like to ask you a question, as I respect everyone's opinions but would like to weed out those that are being emotional from the nut jobs. This is not necessarily to you specifically Red, but to AceBoogie and anyone else here that thinks Gettleman is some sort of New York bully throwing his weight around. So here goes.

If you were Gettleman, how EXACTLY would you have handled this "situation"?

When giving your answer please give it some logical thought and take into consideration the following factors:

1. Being asked on the spot about Steve Smith's 2014 status with the team, without notice, and without having been given a chance to notify Smith.

2. Having a sit down with Steve Smith, laying out the situation at hand, and explaining to him he must take a pay cut for the team to be successful in 2014 and beyond.

3. Steve Smith refusing to take a pay cut.

4. Having Steve Smith going on the radio adding fuel to an already combustible situation.

5. Being a GM, you need to do what you feel is best for the long term success of the team.

When you reply please give thoughtful answers and explain why you approached it the way you did. Feel free to elaborate, I will not give a childish TL;DR back at you. I will have a rebuttal on if I agree with your strategy and if I don't, I'll explain why. I'll tell you in what is only my opinion, what I think would happen both with the media and fanbase based off the decisions you've made and we'll go from there in a civil debate.

Because I'd genuinely like to know how people feel that want to burn Gettleman at the stake, and why specifically they feel that way.

Let's debate.

 

It's Emotional (though they will no doubt mention how the "great Steve Smith was mis-treated")!!!!!!

[MadHatter]

Public Relations Rule #1

 

NEVER say "no comment".  It leaves way too much room for speculation and implies lack of knowledge and/or understanding of the situation. 

 

IMO - it should have been handled by having the face to face conversation with Steve earlier in the off season.  THAT's what he deserved and earned - the right to an open and honest conversation prior to the public becoming aware.

 

You are absolutely correct on the "No Comment" statement......leaves too much to interpretation by the receiving party.  They can take it every way possible.

 

Actually the "everyone is being evaluated" is the correct answer to give for that question.....for every team.  A good manager is continuously evaluating their employees....as well they should.  And that means every employee.  No one should be beyond reproach.

 

I do think Gettleman was surprised when the follow-up question of "Is Smith also being evaluated".  However, saying yes was still the right answer.  Saying no sends a message that some players are not subject to the same evaluation process as others.

 

Would it have been better if Gett and Smitty had a conversation prior to the combine?  Absolutely

 

Do I think that Gett botched his answer to the question at the combine?  No

 

Should Smitty have made the comments on the radio that he did?  No

[FootballMaestro]

I'm going to go ahead and say this, for all the people here now who talk about Hurney having a lot of yes men in the fan base. Many people seem to be doing the same for Gettleman. It is okay to disagree with some things he does. It doesn't mean I want him fired, or hate him.

How can you say 'Gettleman has a bunch of yes men' here, when everyone's embroiled in a ongoing Brouhaha/Big tussle here about Gettleman to begin with?

 

With all due respect: That makes no sense. 

 

Wasn't there a damn near one sided consensus on Hurney's ultimate suckage here??

[panfan32]

To be blunt, I have never looked forward to the day SS retired. But I never thought I would see the day that SS may wear another uniform. It always hurts when your favorite player leave the team after so many great memories. But it is the nature of the game. And to see so many idiots out there (Media) with the assumptions on the situation is what drives me nuts the most.

 

The whole trade or release make little to now sense financially what so ever. The BS you see in the Media about SS being a problem in the leadership role is also a load of BS. He and Gross were given credit by the players for the speech they gave after the 1-3 start. But SS is an issue in a leadership role. WTFE.

 

So if its not about the money and its not about is leadership role, what is it about. Is it the fact that maybe he and Gette did not see eye to eye on something? I'm really struggling with this. My only hope is that if he does leave, that he signs with a team that has a real chance of going to the Super Bowl . I can see Fox going after him if they have a void to fill with Decker leaving.  I can see fox wanting one of his best player on the roster for a leadership role and a mentor to the young WR corps in Denver. To me this would be SS's best case scenario other than staying in Carolina. 

 

But as I tell my kids all the time, "Want in one hand and poo in the other, and see which one fills up first".

[jtm]

Why is SS getting a free pass from fans for refusing to take a pay cut?

[FootballMaestro]

Gettleman is the GM. Quite frankly I'm growing more, and more tired of this pity party for him. He isn't the one with his job in jeapordy.

 

Also, I don't think anyone here literally "hates" Gettleman, except maybe for a few silly people running around.

 

"Job in Jeopardy"?

 

Is that how you describe it? Here's what's wrong with that statement.

 

Do you realize how much money Steve Smith has made in comparison (and for how long) compared to Dave Gettleman?

 

Though players careers are short in comparison, I bet you Smith will make multiples of more money than what Gettlemen ever made, as DG has been a scout and behind the scenes guy for decades making relative peanuts in comparison to Smith. 

 

I can't believe you characterized it that way. So now who's having the "Pity Party" for whom?

[TheRed]

How can you say 'Gettleman has a bunch of yes men' here, when everyone's embroiled in a ongoing Brouhaha/Big tussle here about Gettleman to begin with?

With all due respect: That makes no sense.

Wasn't there a damn near one sided consensus on Hurney's ultimate suckage here??

One sided consensus that he sucked? Not that I recall. Hurney had his detractors here, but many people praised him. There was quite a bit of celebration when we signed Deangelo Williams, and Jonathan Stewart to the contracts that everyone now complains to no end about these days.

There were people who blindly followed Hurney, and some seem to already be doing the same with Gettleman.

I disagree with some things Gettleman has done, that doesn't mean I don't want him to be our GM or something silly like that.

[TheRed]

"Job in Jeopardy"?

Is that how you describe it? Here's what's wrong with that statement.

Do you realize how much money Steve Smith has made in comparison (and for how long) compared to Dave Gettleman?

Though players careers are short in comparison, I bet you Smith will make multiples of more money than what Gettlemen ever made, as DG has been a scout and behind the scenes guy for decades making relative peanuts in comparison to Smith.

I can't believe you characterized it that way. So now who's having the "Pity Party" for whom?

Please at least make an effort to understand a post if you are going to reply and attempt to be sarcastic about it. I didn't say anything about how much money either man is making. It's not about that.

Playing the game of football and putting your future on the line every time you go out there to play is a hell of a lot different than the management aspect. Both can be cut throat, but one injury can end a career for good, and the pay check that comes with it. Yes players make quite a bit of money obviously, but that doesn't last forever, and we have obviously seen many players go broke for various reasons. Let's also not forget the long term ramifications of playing in the NFL with the toll it takes on a player physically.

Yes Steve Smith's job is in jeapordy. He very well may retire before facing the choice of uprooting his family who has been settled and established here in the community for over a decade now to play with a new team short term with little to no guarantees.