What Camp are you in?

[NJPanthers12]

Trading Greg Hardy could net two 1st round picks for the Panthers. No one can tell me that's not worth at least considering. Hardy is good but being able to have the cap space he's taking up AND that compensation in return? I'd take it, use the cap space to re-sign guys like Mitchell and Ginn, draft a DE with one of your 1st's and still have some money to get a LT or WR in FA. WIN.

Hardy would not net 2 first rounders

[hepcat]

What compensation? How do you compensate for losing a top-5 proven pro-bowler at his position? You can't!

Name one player in this draft that's gonna be top-5 at his position coming into the season. You can't.

 

You're not going to get an EXACT replacement for him, that's impossible.  But there's a solid chance Hardy plays next season on the franchise tag and Carolina lets him walk next year because they still won't have the money to sign him long term.  If you have a chance to get something for him before that happens, you should.

[Jon Snow]

But we have two making top dollar. Look I get the "keep strengths strong" argument. But we have a lot of holes to fill.

Yeah, when Hardy was tagged it did confuse me as to how we can pay for other needed help. I kind of think that either Gman thought he could trade Hardy for picks or he thinks he can work out a better contract. It wouldn't be so bad if we didn't have CJ's bloated contract on the books. In reality we should have about 20 mil dedicated to the DE positions every year with younger developing options as backup's waiting to step in around contract time.

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[Jackofalltrades]

Trading Greg Hardy could net two 1st round picks for the Panthers. No one can tell me that's not worth at least considering. Hardy is good but being able to have the cap space he's taking up AND that compensation in return? I'd take it, use the cap space to re-sign guys like Mitchell and Ginn, draft a DE with one of your 1st's and still have some money to get a LT or WR in FA. WIN.

In the land of hypotheticals you're right, but in reality it's not going to happen.

[MadHatter]

Yeah, when Hardy was tagged it did confuse me as to how we can pay for other needed help. I kind of think that either Gman thought he could trade Hardy for picks or he thinks he can work out a better contract. It wouldn't be so bad if we didn't have CJ's bloated contract on the books. In reality we should have about 20 mil dedicated to the DE positions every year with younger developing options as backup's waiting to step in around contract time.

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These are exactly the points that worry me as well.

 

I am just nervous about having $30M (almost 1/4 of our cap space) tied up in the DE position when our CF, S, WR, and OT positions are in such need of upgrade.

 

I hope Gett knows what he is doing on this one.

[4Corners]

Team Locke. 

[Jon Snow]

These are exactly the points that worry me as well.

I am jsut nervous about having $30M (almost 1/4 of our cap space) tied up in the DE position when our CF, S, WR, and OT positions are in such need of upgrade.

I hope Gett knows what he is doing on this one.

I'm with you on that! I know he has a plan but I sure can't figure it out. Obviously he has intimate details on all the contracts the team has and has lots of alternatives that he can use to come up with money somehow. It does ease my mind that he is a great personnel evaluator and that he can bring in skilled players at bargain basement prices through FA and UDFA. I think most underestimate how important that is.

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[TheNewStandard]

If the Panthers can work out a long-term deal with Hardy, then we have no reason to want to trade him.

You chicken-littles are too worried about letting him go for nothing when we are gonna need every bit of his 14 sacks to get us back into the playoffs...which is what we should be expecting with or without Mitchell, Ginn and Gross.

I never ever, never ever, ever ever, never want any of our LTs present or future to have to go up against the Kraken. NEVER

[SCP]

What are you talking about? Most teams overpay to keep their good players. Ecsecially when that player is a 26 year old elite pass rusher and great run defender. So your logic is to build through the draft, let them play out their rookie contracts and then let them go sign with another team to play out their prime years? How does that make sense? Name me 10 defensive ends better than Hardy and if you can please let me know how many of those teams decided not to pay them.

Ted Thompson may just be the best GM in football and he gave a huge contract to Sam Shields. That's just one of thousands of examples. I don't understand what that means good teams don't overpay to keep their players.

How many teams have the amount of money invested in RBs as we do? Paying two DEs and two RBs elite level money is not fiscally smart when your roster is littered with holes.

[AceBoogie]

If the Panthers can work out a long-term deal with Hardy, then we have no reason to want to trade him.

You chicken-littles are too worried about letting h go for nothing when we are gonna need every bit of his 14 sacks to her us back into the playoffs...which is what we should be expecting with or without Mitchell, Ginn and Gross.

I never ever, never ever, ever ever, never want any of our LTs present or future to have to go up against the Kraken. NEVER

Greg Hardy hasn't shown up in big games. Most of those sacks came against nobodies. Let's not forget how much he benefits from playing next to Star, KK, and CJ. In the two games that CJ didn't play, Wes Horton had more sacks than Hardy. He's a great young player, but he's not worth 13 mil.

[NJPanthers12]

How many teams have the amount of money invested in RBs as we do? Paying two DEs and two RBs elite level money is not fiscally smart when your roster is littered with holes.

I couldn't agree with you more on the running backs. Hurney messed that up awfully. I still don't see why we can't make DeAngelo a June 1 cut. But I find it hard to reason that because of Stewart and DeAngelo we need to let one of our best players and elite pass rushers just go and make us worse. I feel like the better way to reason it is that we aren't investing 28 million into 2 DEs. I like to reason it as we are investing 28 million into 2 core players especially when Cam and Luke are making well under market rate.

[Khaki Lackey]

In Gettleman I trust. The guy went on an on about how the d line would improve the secondary and he couldn't have been more correct. If he's going to trade Hardy, it's only because he knows without a doubt that there is somebody to take over that is close to Hardy's level of talent. (Which is very unlikely.)

[Ruff]

Where is the mortgage Hardy for a season and let him walk at the end of next season option?

[csx]

Where is the mortgage Hardy for a season and let him walk at the end of next season option?

 

Wouldn't that be the worst of all?