Panthers Interested In Eric Decker and Hakeem Nicks

[neverlosethefeeling]

We rarely took shots down the field this year compared to 2011 and 2012. When we did throw downfield it was usually to Olsen or Ginn. I didn't say Smith is a number 1 receiver anymore. He is the best receiver we have right now and if we were to sign Decker, Smitty would still be our best receiver

 

How about 2001-2010? Were those not run-first ball control offenses? Smitty put up big numbers during those years.

 

Have you considered that Smith's decline necessitated that those deep shots go to other players?

 

He's the best receiver we have because right this second he's competing with the likes of McNutt, Bersin, King, and Webb. Not exactly esteemed company. And you'd have a hard time convincing me that RIGHT NOW Decker wouldn't be a better WR than Smith.

[Rook35200]

How about 2001-2010? Were those not run-first ball control offenses? Smitty put up big numbers during those years.

 

Have you considered that Smith's decline necessitated that those deep shots go to other players?

 

He's the best receiver we have because right this second he's competing with the likes of McNutt, Bersin, King, and Webb. Not exactly esteemed company. And you'd have a hard time convincing me that RIGHT NOW Decker wouldn't be a better WR than Smith.

 

 

I don't need to convince you that Steve Smith is a better RIGHT NOW than Eric Decker. Those deep shots go to other players because other teams defensive coordinators are dumb enough to leave Smith covered 1 on 1. Believe it or not Steve Smith is consistently bracketed in coverage. Thats why those deep shots go to other players. Ted Ginn is one of the fastest guys in the NFL so why not throw him deep balls. C'mon man

 

As for 2001-2010 go back and look at his stats. 2009 and 2010 were his worse seasons with Matt Moore, St. Pierre, Clausen and other guys throwing to him. 2011 and 2012 when we had a more agressive style of offense he was over 1,000 yards. This year he only put up 700 yards but the entire offense was anemic. Not just Smitty

[Pantherman]

All of your posts are unreadable you can't properly use the English language...

 

Dude can you just STFU and go some where. No one cares. Stop been the grammer cop. No one gives a crap. Your don't like my post or can't read it. Then move on and read someone else post. No one ask you to read it. God is this the only reason you signed up on this site to tell people how to post. No one cares. This ain't english class or anything. Smh!!

 

[neverlosethefeeling]

I don't need to convince you that Steve Smith is a better RIGHT NOW than Eric Decker. Those deep shots go to other players because other teams defensive coordinators are dumb enough to leave Smith covered 1 on 1. Believe it or not Steve Smith is consistently bracketed in coverage. Thats why those deep shots go to other players. Ted Ginn is one of the fastest guys in the NFL so why not throw him deep balls. C'mon man

 

As for 2001-2010 go back and look at his stats. 2009 and 2010 were his worse seasons with Matt Moore, St. Pierre, Clausen and other guys throwing to him. 2011 and 2012 when we had a more agressive style of offense he was over 1,000 yards. This year he only put up 700 yards but the entire offense was anemic. Not just Smitty

 

Look man, Steve's best days are behind him no matter how you slice it. His stats were down across the board including what used to be his bread and butter, YACs, which were a team low last year. It's not just that he's not getting the deep balls, it's that when he gets the ball period he doesn't do much with it. He doesn't make many guys miss and he's not burning DBs.

 

If we're asking Smitty to be a number 1 receiver next year we will not be as good as we could be.

[Rook35200]

Look man, Steve's best days are behind him no matter how you slice it. His stats were down across the board including what used to be his bread and butter, YACs, which were a team low last year. It's not just that he's not getting the deep balls, it's that when he gets the ball period he doesn't do much with it. He doesn't make many guys miss and he's not burning DBs.

 

If we're asking Smitty to be a number 1 receiver next year we will not be as good as we could be.

 

Nor will we be as good with Decker as our #1. So it's a wash

[neverlosethefeeling]

Nor will we be as good with Decker as our #1. So it's a wash

 

Well, I never advocated for our signing Decker in the first place.

[NFLFangirl19]

Look man, Steve's best days are behind him no matter how you slice it. His stats were down across the board including what used to be his bread and butter, YACs, which were a team low last year. It's not just that he's not getting the deep balls, it's that when he gets the ball period he doesn't do much with it. He doesn't make many guys miss and he's not burning DBs.

If we're asking Smitty to be a number 1 receiver next year we will not be as good as we could be.

i read an article which stated he made 16 ppl miss his yr. that article also stated that was a damn good # for anyone but ECSP someone his age. Are you jus saying what u THINK or going based off facts cuz.....

[neverlosethefeeling]

i read an article which stated he made 16 ppl miss his yr. that article also stated that was a damn good # for anyone but ECSP someone his age. Are you jus saying what u THINK or going based off facts cuz.....

 

Link or it didn't happen. My Google search turned up no such article, but I'd be happy to re-consider my position if you can provide me with it.

 

Let me ask you this: do you think there's a correlation between elusiveness, quickness, the ability to make people miss and yards after the catch? What I said in my post was that Steve's YACs were a team low last year which is accurate if you only consider players who saw significant time. Olsen had a higher YAC average than Steve. DeAngelo, Tolbert, LaFell, Ginn did as well. In fact, each of the last 4 had more yards after the catch than Steve and ranged between 15 and 37 fewer catches!! Yes, Mike Tolbert had more yards after the catch than Steve Smith despite Smitty having a 37 catch advantage.

 

So to answer your question, I'm saying what I think, but what I think is informed by facts. At least the best facts available to me at this moment. And again, I'm happy to reconsider if you can show me the article.

[NFLFangirl19]

Link or it didn't happen. My Google search turned up no such article, but I'd be happy to re-consider my position if you can provide me with it.

Let me ask you this: do you think there's a correlation between elusiveness, quickness, the ability to make people miss and yards after the catch? What I said in my post was that Steve's YACs were a team low last year which is accurate if you only consider players who saw significant time. Olsen had a higher YAC average than Steve. DeAngelo, Tolbert, LaFell, Ginn did as well. In fact, each of the last 4 had more yards after the catch than Steve and ranged between 15 and 37 fewer catches!! Yes, Mike Tolbert had more yards after the catch than Steve Smith despite Smitty having a 37 catch advantage.

So to answer your question, I'm saying what I think, but what I think is informed by facts. At least the best facts available to me at this moment. And again, I'm happy to reconsider if you can show me the article.

i honestly was gonna ask if u wanted it in the last reply so I'm glad u asked. Here u go :) http://nflspinzone.com/?p=27330”

[neverlosethefeeling]

i honestly was gonna ask if u wanted it in the last reply so I'm glad u asked. Here u go :) http://nflspinzone.com/?p=27330”

 

Thanks for the link. I wish there was a way for me to see the Pro Football Focus stats but it looks like "forced missed tackles" is one of their premium stats and I am not about to pay for that.

 

It's an interesting read and I'll say a couple of things. The only other reference to Steve's forced missed tackle stat is this little blurb from 2012:

 

 

Steve Smith WR CAR Oct 12 '12

According to Pro Football Focus, Steve Smith's nine forced missed tackles are second only to Percy Harvin's 14 as a receiver this season.

 

http://www.fleaflicker.com/nfl/news-item?newsId=38773

 

Again, I can't find the source of those stats, but I'll just point out that when that blurb was posted (11/12/12) the Panthers had played only 5 games. Extrapolating those numbers (I can't confirm the accuracy of this because no link to year-end stats) Steve would've finished with almost 29 forced missed tackles in 2012. That's an almost 1 per game difference from his 16 in 2013. And because I can't see where his 2013 total ranks in relation to other players I'm not going to make a judgement on how great of a total 16 is. 1 forced miss tackle per game doesn't seem too spectacular to me. Cam had 17 in 2013 and he's a quarterback. And to be fair, yes I realize about 6 of his 17 were on one run against the Patriots :lol:

 

The article you posted says Steve Smith was the best Wide Receiver on the team and I'm not prepared to disagree with that. He was. From game one to the NFC Playoffs he was our best WR bar none in terms of consistency. But he was never spectacular (expect maybe the 2nd Niners game) and one can rightly attribute that to a number of things. Yes, teams scheme for him. There were a number of press conferences where Rivera said they had to make adjustments because teams were rolling coverage to Smith's side. My response: teams have been doing that since 2003. Steve Smith has ALWAYS been the receiver teams had to game plan for when they played the Carolina Panthers. So I'm not sold on that alone being the reason for his decline in production.

 

I still think that if we go into next season with Smitty as our WR1 we're going to be in bad shape. (In my Obama voice) Let me be clear, I know he's still got some juice left and I want him back (after a pay cut), but I'm not one of those who's going to sit here and pray that he can put together another 1000+ yard season. Especially not in Shula's offense. I think lined up in the slot where he can use his route running ability to create separation against weaker corners and safeties he's going to still put up numbers and be productive. But we need someone (please be Hakeem Nicks) who can come in and be our number 1.

 

Nicks, Smith, Ginn if he's re-signed, Olsen, a hopefully emerging Brandon Williams, and maybe a draft pick could be the best receiving corps top to bottom that we've ever fielded.

 

Before we used to talk about bringing someone in to take pressure off of Smith. Now that conversation has shifted to talking about bringing someone in to take over for him. For me, at least. And I'd imagine it's running through Gettleman and Rivera's heads as well.

[MadHatter]

We rarely took shots down the field this year compared to 2011 and 2012. When we did throw downfield it was usually to Olsen or Ginn. I didn't say Smith is a number 1 receiver anymore. He is the best receiver we have right now and if we were to sign Decker, Smitty would still be our best receiver

You should go check your stats...because you would find that you are wrong.

Someone posted the stats in another thread that showed we took just as many shots down the field last season as the two before. We just hit on fewer of them.

[NFLFangirl19]

Thanks for the link. I wish there was a way for me to see the Pro Football Focus stats but it looks like "forced missed tackles" is one of their premium stats and I am not about to pay for that.

It's an interesting read and I'll say a couple of things. The only other reference to Steve's forced missed tackle stat is this little blurb from 2012:

http://www.fleaflicker.com/nfl/news-item?newsId=38773

Again, I can't find the source of those stats, but I'll just point out that when that blurb was posted (11/12/12) the Panthers had played only 5 games. Extrapolating those numbers (I can't confirm the accuracy of this because no link to year-end stats) Steve would've finished with almost 29 forced missed tackles in 2012. That's an almost 1 per game difference from his 16 in 2013. And because I can't see where his 2013 total ranks in relation to other players I'm not going to make a judgement on how great of a total 16 is. 1 forced miss tackle per game doesn't seem too spectacular to me. Cam had 17 in 2013 and he's a quarterback. And to be fair, yes I realize about 6 of his 17 were on one run against the Patriots :lol:

The article you posted says Steve Smith was the best Wide Receiver on the team and I'm not prepared to disagree with that. He was. From game one to the NFC Playoffs he was our best WR bar none in terms of consistency. But he was never spectacular (expect maybe the 2nd Niners game) and one can rightly attribute that to a number of things. Yes, teams scheme for him. There were a number of press conferences where Rivera said they had to make adjustments because teams were rolling coverage to Smith's side. My response: teams have been doing that since 2003. Steve Smith has ALWAYS been the receiver teams had to game plan for when they played the Carolina Panthers. So I'm not sold on that alone being the reason for his decline in production.

I still think that if we go into next season with Smitty as our WR1 we're going to be in bad shape. (In my Obama voice) Let me be clear, I know he's still got some juice left and I want him back (after a pay cut), but I'm not one of those who's going to sit here and pray that he can put together another 1000+ yard season. Especially not in Shula's offense. I think lined up in the slot where he can use his route running ability to create separation against weaker corners and safeties he's going to still put up numbers and be productive. But we need someone (please be Hakeem Nicks) who can come in and be our number 1.

Nicks, Smith, Ginn if he's re-signed, Olsen, a hopefully emerging Brandon Williams, and maybe a draft pick could be the best receiving corps top to bottom that we've ever fielded.

Before we used to talk about bringing someone in to take pressure off of Smith. Now that conversation has shifted to talking about bringing someone in to take over for him. For me, at least. And I'd imagine it's running through Gettleman and Rivera's heads as well.

no need to compare any stats from 2012 when the article claesrly stated his stats in general were down from the 1st two yrs lol. It also stated why & IMO u can try to argue against it all day but u can pretty much conclude that if Chud had still been our coordinator last season & Cam had been as a bit more consistent EVERYBODIES #s would have looked better on offense. If he's still here this season (which he will be), idt anyone will be expecting nor wanting him to still be our #1 & thats not my point. my point is that cutting him would be an even bigger mistaken trying that out again even when we bring in someone new. Now is not the time to be making those types of changes. I'm not sure it would make Cam or the person that would have to come in & have the pressure on them to replace him, happy to not have him there to play alongside showing them the ropes for at least one more yr. Ecsp since financially the benefit is almost non existent @ the the new guy wouldn't necessarily be sure to have an immediate impact

[NFLFangirl19]

no need to compare any stats from 2012 when the article claesrly stated his stats in general were down from the 1st two yrs lol. It also stated why & IMO u can try to argue against it all day but u can pretty much conclude that if Chud had still been our coordinator last season & Cam had been as a bit more consistent EVERYBODIES #s would have looked better on offense. If he's still here this season (which he will be), idt anyone will be expecting nor wanting him to still be our #1 & thats not my point. my point is that cutting him would be an even bigger mistaken trying that out again even when we bring in someone new. Now is not the time to be making those types of changes. I'm not sure it would make Cam or the person that would have to come in & have the pressure on them to replace him, happy to not have him there to play alongside showing them the ropes for at least one more yr. Ecsp since financially the benefit is almost non existent @ the the new guy wouldn't necessarily be sure to have an immediate impact

[MadHatter]

no need to compare any stats from 2012 when the article claesrly stated his stats in general were down from the 1st two yrs lol. It also stated why & IMO u can try to argue against it all day but u can pretty much conclude that if Chud had still been our coordinator last season & Cam had been as a bit more consistent EVERYBODIES #s would have looked better on offense. If he's still here this season (which he will be), idt anyone will be expecting nor wanting him to still be our #1 & thats not my point. my point is that cutting him would be an even bigger mistaken trying that out again even when we bring in someone new. Now is not the time to be making those types of changes. I'm not sure it would make Cam or the person that would have to come in & have the pressure on them to replace him, happy to not have him there to play alongside showing them the ropes for at least one more yr. Ecsp since financially the benefit is almost non existent @ the the new guy wouldn't necessarily be sure to have an immediate impact

 

I am not one to be a grammer cop. 

 

However, as the above post illustrates, it is becoming more and more difficult to even determine what half of you are saying.  Please take a little time when you post to use at least decent sentence structure and grammer.  Remember that others are actually trying to read and understand what you are saying.