Capologists! Answer me! Is 7 mil all the money we have now?

[top dawg]

Seems you are acting like the police telling me what to do.  I just said your thread is stupid.  If you can't stand the critcism than stop posting. I am fine with you saying anything you want.  After all, this is a message board not some life and death concern. Maybe you need to gain some perspective here, you seem to take this stuff way too seriously.

 

And I think you're stupid for saying that my thread is stupid, and I've already laid it out for you.  

 

Furthermore, if you feel that a thread is a waste of time, then you're stupid for posting in it. There you go. 

[panthers55]

And I think you're stupid for saying that my thread is stupid, and I've already laid it out for you.  

 

Furthermore, if you feel that a thread is a waste of time, then you're stupid for posting in it. There you go. 

I hope you feel better now.  We can all get our feelings out and now sing 2 stanzas of kumbaya.

[heel31ok]

We can't go into the season right where we are.  Haven't you been reading the threads which says that we either need to exercise a bonus option which pays him 3 million more and triggers an option year in 2016 which pays a 10 million salary and 12 million cap hit or not exercise it and pay him 3 million if he is on the roster as of July 1st.

 

We either exercise the option or dont.  If we don't then if he is on the roster on July 1 we have to pay him 3 million more and still have to pay him for 2015.

If Smitty won't renegotiate then the only way to avoid the option bonus is cut him which is what Gettleman is considering.

sorry but that is not accurate.you act as if that is all guaranteed money and it is not.Option means a choice in the real world and that choice will be made at that time not now.I think you need to go back and figure this out again as you may be a little confused on the matter.We are on the hook to SS for 2 years no matter what.2016 is not guaranteed so is really not an issue unless he blows it up and we want to keep him. we lose 9.8 in cap money the next 2 seasons if we cut SS.The poinmt is the money paid evenif you think it is too much is still wortth it vs getting nothing for  a 9.8mil cap hit.There is more to the situation than just the options that kick in.The money paid is rally not an issue , the cap space lost is the issue so it is not accurate to portray the mony we would pay as a problem. The Panthers can afford it.

[top dawg]

sorry but that is not accurate.you act as if that is all guaranteed money and it is not.Option means a choice in the real world and that choice will be made at that time not now.I think you need to go back and figure this out again as you may be a little confused on the matter.We are on the hook to SS for 2 years no matter what.2016 is not guaranteed so is really not an issue unless he blows it up and we want to keep him.

 

So basically, if I'm reading this stuff right, then we will be on the hook for 7 mil in 2015 for Smitty's contract, no matter what?

[panthers55]

sorry but that is not accurate.you act as if that is all guaranteed money and it is not.Option means a choice in the real world and that choice will be made at that time not now.I think you need to go back and figure this out again as you may be a little confused on the matter.We are on the hook to SS for 2 years no matter what.2016 is not guaranteed so is really not an issue unless he blows it up and we want to keep him.

If we exercise the option we owe him 3 million over 3 years and it triggers 2016.  If we don't exercise it we accelerate the 3 million and his contract ends after 2015.  But we are not on the hook for 2 years.  If we cut him now we are on the hook for 7 million in cap hit this year but his cap hit for next year is 2 million which saves us 8 million in cap space next year which is the whole point.  If he doesn't renegotiate we are going to cut him and it won't be just money it will be sending a message to the team that if you don't play along you are gone.

[heel31ok]

I hope you feel better now.  We can all get our feelings out and now sing 2 stanzas of kumbaya.

 no one sings Kumbaya. cliche is not classic.

[top dawg]

If we exercise the option we owe him 3 million over 3 years and it triggers 2016.  If we don't exercise it we accelerate the 3 million and his contract ends after 2015.  But we are not on the hook for 2 years.  If we cut him now we are on the hook for 7 million in cap hit this year but his cap hit for next year is 2 million which saves us 8 million in cap space next year which is the whole point.  If he doesn't renegotiate we are going to cut him and it won't be just money it will be sending a message to the team that if you don't play along you are gone.

 

I am reading that his base salary is 4 mil this year, and 7 mil next year, so something doesn't seem to be adding up.

[heel31ok]

So basically, if I'm reading this stuff right, then we will be on the hook for 7 mil in 2015 for Smitty's contract, no matter what?

no. we will pay him around 3 mil but the cap hit would be 9.8 mil. actually the report reads if he is cut this season we will be on the hook for 3.8 mil in cash and 9.8 in cap space over the next 2 seasons.

[Semaj]

I think that there is going to be cuts to make space for what DG deems the most important positions of need. Apparently, DG deems DE as one of the most important positions worth spending our limited cap space on. Their is definitely going to be some juggling done to fill the roster. I am not worried though, DG clearly seems to have a plan and this is just going to be how it is until DG gets it all cleaned up in the next 2 or so years.

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[top dawg]

no. we will pay him around 3 mil but the cap hit would be 9.8 mil.

 

Anyway...basically what you're saying, like you said before, is that cutting Smitty doesn't provide such a great benefit? 

 

When you get right down to the bottom line, what you're saying is that even if we do cut Smitty, we're going to be fuged up regardless, and that though there may be a nominal benefit that we'd be almost just as fuged up, but without Smitty?

 

No wonder there was that rumor in the Huddle that G-man is trying to trade Smitty. That would be the best case scenario from a fiscal standpoint. It seems like cutting him would do very little to get us out of cap hell, but would piss people off in spades. 

 

********Is this an epiphany?*********

[heel31ok]

If we exercise the option we owe him 3 million over 3 years and it triggers 2016.  If we don't exercise it we accelerate the 3 million and his contract ends after 2015.  But we are not on the hook for 2 years.  If we cut him now we are on the hook for 7 million in cap hit this year but his cap hit for next year is 2 million which saves us 8 million in cap space next year which is the whole point.  If he doesn't renegotiate we are going to cut him and it won't be just money it will be sending a message to the team that if you don't play along you are gone.

wouldn't that be a savings of 5 million in cap space?

[NFLFangirl19]

Of course we can blow Smitty up and some others by trying to sign Nicks for instance, but really. It would probably cause additional losses in integrity of the team at different positions, and is Nicks really worth that risk?

not even! This was argued on the Nicks vs Smitty thread. Mind you, I'm sitting front row on the "bring Nicks home" train but not at the cost of losing Smitty. We need to find a way to have them both here or just wait & draft Benjamin I guess.

[heel31ok]

Anyway...basically what you're saying, like you said before, is that cutting Smitty doesn't provide such a great benefit? 

 

When you get right down to the bottom line, what you're saying is that even if we do cut Smitty, we're going to be fuged up regardless, and that though there may be a nominal benefit that we'd be almost just as fuged up, but without Smitty?

 

No wonder there was that rumor in the Huddle that G-man is trying to trade Smitty. That would be the best case scenario from a fiscal standpoint. It seems like cutting him would do very little to get us out of cap hell, but would piss people off in spades. 

 

********Is this an epiphany?*********

the 9.8 is over 2 years and if cut this year would be around 6 mil and 3 for  next year.

[jarhead]