Capologists! Answer me! Is 7 mil all the money we have now?

[MHS831]

Most people are assuming there will be cap relief in 2014 when the Hardy deal gets done.  While we have more time (on paper) to work out a long-term deal, our situation suggests there could be more urgency:

 

There are several advantages to working out his contract now:

 

1. If we realize that Hardy wants to be paid more than we feel comfortable paying, it impacts your draft.

2. If we can sign him to a long term deal, it impacts your ability to spend in free agency.

3. If you realize what Hardy's future is going to be, it helps in almost every other personnel decision G will make.

This is my take--there are many ways to go about this.
 

 

[hepcat]

Gettleman will take the same approach as last year, signing guys who are overlooked for cheap 1 year contracts.  It's looking more and more unlikely Carolina is going to dish out any big contracts to anyone not named Hardy.  Hopefully they can bring back some of the key guys for cheap but it's not likely.  I'm hoping at least Mike Mitchell and Ted Ginn are back.

[csx]

Basically I've just come to the realization that my favorite team has no money.  

 

The depth of the situation caught me unawares, so nail me to the cross. That's the worst part of message boards, not the other.

 

We have been discussing our cap situation for years. Hurney left us in a predicament and it's done nothing but improve. The numbers are the numbers and have been discussed in depth for years here. A fairly accurate value can be found from various online sources at any given moment. Gettleman publicly stated that were weren't in the clear yet. I guess I'm just not understanding what the surprise is about where the team is.

[top dawg]

The point is we have more than triple the money lhis year and majority of the cuts, paycuts and restructures have yet to transpire. Why panic? We have seven million in the bank with more money coming. Gano got signed and Hardy is going to be signed (severely doubt he'll get 13.1 million) or traded. That's a damn good start. It's only March after all.

 

Don't mistake surprise for panic.

[@bonafidebanter]

Here we go

 

 

[top dawg]

We have been discussing our cap situation for years. Hurney left us in a predicament and it's done nothing but improve. The numbers are the numbers and have been discussed in depth for years here. A fairly accurate value can be found from various online sources at any given moment. Gettleman publicly stated that were weren't in the clear yet. I guess I'm just not understanding what the surprise is about where the team is.

 

I think that it was the Gano contract, not that I pay as close attention to the cap that I could.  Anyway,everyone knew that we were cap-challenged, but at the present moment "cap-challenged" is too nice of a word.  "We're cap-fuged" is probably more accurate.  But, like you said, G-man is going to work something out.  We'll just have to quell any type of notion of acquiring a rock solid FA, but if we get one we can all view it as a pleasant surprise.  Plus, to get up to snuff, we really may have to wait for not only the shoe that we believe will drop, but the other shoe to drop as well (if you get what I'm saying).

 

 

 

BTW, I wonder if CJ will even restructure provided that he did in September.  Perhaps thoughts of Hardy on the other side will make him very agreeable...

[Jon Snow]

I think that it was the Gano contract, not that I pay as close attention to the cap that I could. Anyway,everyone knew that we were cap-challenged, but at the present moment "cap-challenged" is too nice of a word. "We're cap-fuged" is probably more accurate. But, like you said, G-man is going to work something out. We'll just have to quell any type of notion of acquiring a rock solid FA, but if we get one we can all view it as a pleasant surprise. Plus, to get up to snuff, we really may have to wait for not only the shoe that we believe will drop, but the other shoe to drop as well (if you get what I'm saying).

BTW, I wonder if CJ will even restructure provided that he did in September. Perhaps thoughts of Hardy on the other side will make him very agreeable...

I can't see CJ doing it honestly. And I really don't see it making a difference if he did. It just prolongs the inevitable hit that the team will take when they do have to cut him. We are cap-fuged for the next 2 years. Like you said, there will have to be painful cuts in order to get out of this hell. Even if it means cap hits for players no longer on the team.

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[heel31ok]

...still think Smitty will be around?

he counts towards the cap either way so why would you get rid of him but still pay. Pay for a player or pay for nothing is not a hard decision to make.That is if G-man is the astute all business guy many say he is.now he may not be around but it does not relive the cap pressure one bit so that is not even a factor in the SS issue.

[CelticCat]

It could be worse, we could be like the Raiders, have tons of cap space and have absolutely no talent on the team.

 

Or maybe Jax or the Browns. Good  luck attracting top talent to those messed up franchises. Oh yeah, we just took the best player off the market before it even started. Have fun rebuilding, I suggest you start with a QB.

 

Whats that you say, you're letting McFadden walk, BWAAAAHAAAA.

[heel31ok]

And that is why hardball is being played with 89.....we have no money and still need to pay for starters on the OL and D. Which is more important than 89.

how much money do we get by playing "hardball" with 89?  Where are all the "Business" Einsteins on this subject?

[Jon Snow]

he counts towards the cap either way so why would you get rid of him but still pay. Pay for a player or pay for nothing is not a hard decision to make.That is if G-man is the astute all business guy many say he is.now he may not be around but it does not relive the cap pressure one bit so that is not even a factor in the SS issue.

The team did the same thing with Beason and Delomme. Granted they had options at MLB but the QB thing sucked all around. Paying a player that is no longer on the team is just part of the process. It's true that it does nothing for the cap and that's not the single reason he's being evaluated. It's about future money for an aging receiver verses what the teams thinks they can do to improve the position. If Hurney wwere still calling the shot's then I would agree that there would be no choice but to keep Steve and pray that blind luck would drop a replacement in our laps. With the Godfather now in charge I'm confident that he will at least find a couple of players to compensate for Steve.

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[top dawg]

And that is why hardball is being played with 89.....we have no money and still need to pay for starters on the OL and D. Which is more important than 89.

 

 

how much money do we get by playing "hardball" with 89?  Where are all the "Business" Einsteins on this subject?

 

 

...still think Smitty will be around?

 

 

he counts towards the cap either way so why would you get rid of him but still pay. Pay for a player or pay for nothing is not a hard decision to make.That is if G-man is the astute all business guy many say he is.now he may not be around but it does not relive the cap pressure one bit so that is not even a factor in the SS issue.

 

The way I understand it is that Smith has a 7 mil cap figure. His actual salary is 4 mil however. So in fiscal terms we can make 3 mil by cutting him. But, we still have to pay his replacement. Now unless we're going to rely on mostly rookies, other unproven guys (e.g., McNutt and King), or just some also-rans, we're going to have to pay someone a decent salary.  Let's say we do sign a guy like James Jones and pay him the 2.95 mil that he made last year, then we're probably gonna lose any benefit that we may have gained because Smitty is probably worth the .05 mil.

 

In essence, it's bare your ass and go all-in with noobs, or risk losing a hard working leader for minimal gain at best.  In my opinion it makes the Smitty situation appear even worse (i.e., G-man is not giving off a good look).

[Captain Morgan]

In the long run (likely 3-4 months from now), we'll be more than okay. Just be happy we're not The Cowboys or Saints.

 

 

 

overthecap.com  is now reporting the Saints have about 1.5 mill to spend...not enough to sign their draft picks, 

but seems I recall they were way over the last month.  They must have done some serious cutting.  And that figure has Graham at TE money....if he wins his grievance and gets the extra 2 mill that a WR gets, they'll still have big trouble.

[top dawg]

Of course we can blow Smitty up and some others by trying to sign Nicks for instance, but really. It would probably cause additional losses in integrity of the team at different positions, and is Nicks really worth that risk?