Interesting read about trading for Morris Claibourne

[carolina-chuck]

Deal!

[SteveSmithTD89]

I'd like to keep the 3rd but I'd still lean towards it for that. A fourth? A million times yes

[Ruff]

One, Claiborne is nowhere near as good as you think he may be. He's actually quite bad.

Two, I'm sure his cap hit will be ridiculous seeing as how his contract as a rookie was fully guaranteed.

[Growl]

I'd so give a 3rd for him.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

the cowboys fans i knew were so pumped when they landed him lol

[lola]

Meh.

[csx]

One, Claiborne is nowhere near as good as you think he may be. He's actually quite bad.

Two, I'm sure his cap hit will be ridiculous seeing as how his contract as a rookie was fully guaranteed.

This.

 

He has been pretty terrible.

[Proudiddy]

Gamble had a disgusting wonderlic and ended up being our best corner in franchise history, outside of Eric Davis.

[top dawg]

But he sucks. He just does. Seriously. If I were GM, the'd have to pay me to take him. Guys, don't fall for the Jedi mind trick.

[SauceBoss]

a change of environment is what some need, aka mike mitchell. imagine the skills he posseses with a proper pass rush and proper coaching.

[TheRumGone]

Basically,  the article suggests that Claiborne's lack of intelligence has contributed to his lack of success.  If our scheme is simple, then maybe.  Do not underestimate the importance of being able to think on the field.  Do not underestimate the ability to watch film critically and study the playbook.  I have never heard of a 4 on the Wonderlic.  He said that he did not finish because it has nothing to do with football.  It was given to him at the combine by the NFL.  I think that has something to do with football.  From that perspective, the broad jump, bench press, and 3 cone drill have nothong to do with football either.

 

In fact, I was looking to find CBs in the draft that may be a little less athletic but make up for it by being cerebral.  One is Russ Cockrell of Duke.  I also like Kenny Ladler (S) of Vandy for the same reason.   They were reportedly good students at very tough schools.  That intelligence seems to have carried over to football.

 

Panther perspectives:  Mike Minter was smart and it carried over.  Eric Davis?  intelligent.  Chris Gamble?  Not intelligent.  Rarely did you ever see Minter or Davis making mental mistakes on the field.  It was more common for Gamble to make them, even though he was (by far) the better athlete.  I think Gamble scored a 9. 

 

this has been debated before.

 

Claiborne has a known learning disability. The wonderlic is a timed test.

 

He needs extra time, and from what i have read from LSU and high school coaches he puts in the work and he isn't a dummy.

 

[MHS831]

this has been debated before.

 

Claiborne has a known learning disability. The wonderlic is a timed test.

 

He needs extra time, and from what i have read from LSU and high school coaches he puts in the work and he isn't a dummy.

 

 

That makes sense.  My statement was based on his comment (the test has nothing to do with football).  It makes sense that he would answer that way, considering he has a learning disability (and I assume they do not care about modifications on the wonderlic--he has probably never had to take a test without modifications, and as soon as he leaves school, gets hit with a test without mods.)  However, the NFL is a timed test too, and maybe that is why they do it that way?  I dunno.

 

  He was successful in high school and college, however, and he is a gifted athlete. Not knowing what his disability is,   I probably would consider his ability to process a possible factor, as many players talk about the game "slowing down" as they adjust to it.  You and I know there are many different forms of intelligence, so testimonials from coaches in a slower, more simplistic game may not apply to the transition to the NFL.

 

Why do players bust?  underperform?  Why do top players who succeed in high school and college flounder in the pros?  If anyone knew, they would have better results in the draft.  I can tell you that some learning disabilities are not addressed in school, they are propped and hidden behind labels without helping the individual prepare for the world without IEPs.

[CelticCat]

That contract is an issue, a 3rd is way too costly today, id rather draft McGill with our own 3rd.

 

Utah has been good to us.

[TheRumGone]

That makes sense.  My statement was based on his comment (the test has nothing to do with football).  It makes sense that he would answer that way, considering he has a learning disability (and I assume they do not care about modifications on the wonderlic--he has probably never had to take a test without modifications, and as soon as he leaves school, gets hit with a test without mods.)  However, the NFL is a timed test too, and maybe that is why they do it that way?  I dunno.

 

  He was successful in high school and college, however, and he is a gifted athlete. Not knowing what his disability is,   I probably would consider his ability to process a possible factor, as many players talk about the game "slowing down" as they adjust to it.  You and I know there are many different forms of intelligence, so testimonials from coaches in a slower, more simplistic game may not apply to the transition to the NFL.

 

Why do players bust?  underperform?  Why do top players who succeed in high school and college flounder in the pros?  If anyone knew, they would have better results in the draft.  I can tell you that some learning disabilities are not addressed in school, they are propped and hidden behind labels without helping the individual prepare for the world without IEPs.

 

from my understanding the Cowboys play a defense that does not bring out his talents. I think it's more of a zone and he's a man kind of player.

 

i'm not quite sure though, and if that is the case, he wouldn't excel here i don't think. Although Rivera seems to be the kind of coach that would put in extra work with him.