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The worst article ever published by the Charlotte Observer

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By jtnc,
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panthers55 Grand Master

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Smith will never see his contract in 2015 as it currently exists.

 

 

 

Rotoworld reports 7 million in 2014 so that's fine by me, call it what you like.

 

As far as your tizzy on Locker Room issues, all I can judge it on is what's on the field gameday. I like what I see.

What else could it be? What else could what be? A couple lines in the papers by a clever GM putting his agenda out there.

he's evaluating all the players on the Panther's roster, good. Or maybe he's sending some misinformation out there pre-draft so there is some question what position might be the focus Round 1.

One thing for sure, Gettleman isn't going to announce in the paper what his furure roster or draft plans are, this isn't Dallas.

The problem is that rotoworld took the option bonus which is actually 1 million for 3 years and lumped it together since exercising this year triggers it as a guarantee amount for the next 3 years and triggers the 2016 salary if I read it correctly

 

This site appears to give more details although it is likely more complicated than what is described by both.

www.spotrac.com

 

I have told you what the issues are from what I have read.  It is the money next year and the year after.  It is picking up the option bonus which would be guaranteed for the next 3 years.  It is diminished production at a time when his contract is getting larger.  The locker room issues have been reported as an issue but other than Voth and Sorenson I don't know how big and don't care.

Smitty is one of my favorite players and he will be surely missed. Still I am a Panthers fan not a Smith fan and I have been around to see a bunch of my favorites come and go.  It is inevitable. 

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Again I am not a reporter so I need no proof. Your beef is with Voth and with Sorenson who have both said locker room issues are a big concern. As for the money and other issues, I hoped to educate you about why it would make no sense to cut Smith unless there were some other issue than why teams cut players which is almost always money.

Clearly you have no grasp of the issues here so lets just agree to disagree. I can't see how any more discussion will help you understand it and as my sig says, I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you. Believe what you want, it is a message board and I don't really care.

daaah well. i go by what I SEE & hear verbatim from PLAYERS not reporters. If that way makes more sense to you then...lol! & lastly, what they would call a "locker room issue" is what Cam himself credited as the reason for their 5 game winning streak before the game against the patriots. A good ol speech by Smitty...& then they go on to win their next 5 out of 6. Ohhh but he's just tearing the team apart isn't he?!....ha!
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heel31ok Experienced

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 Why is that you argue with reporters who are intimately aware of what is going on with the Panthers.  If you are not a player or team official yourself I can only assume you are a fan who doesn't want it to be true so you go on and on about the fact it can't be true.  You people slay me.  You are just giving your opinion which is fine.  Just don't act as if it as legitimate as a reporter who has actually interviewed team officials and gotten the information from the horse's mouth.

 

I only post what is discussed by folks in the know.  I don't make this stuff and doubt they do either.

Horses mouth? if they said that then it is more like a jackass.i don't buy it because it is almost unthinkable that a team official would believe that much less the leaders of this organization.It is stupid at best. Many reporters say they get things from unnamed team officials and there is good reason they are unnamed, they have no name.of course they make things up that is their job to elicit peoples emotions and they know this will do that.It is an opinion piece. Which makes it no more credible than a poster on this message board who is publishing an opinion piece of their own.

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The problem is that rotoworld took the option bonus which is actually 1 million for 3 years and lumped it together since exercising this year triggers it as a guarantee amount for the next 3 years and triggers the 2016 salary if I read it correctly

 

This site appears to give more details although it is likely more complicated than what is described by both.

www.spotrac.com

 

I have told you what the issues are from what I have read.  It is the money next year and the year after.  It is picking up the option bonus which would be guaranteed for the next 3 years.  It is diminished production at a time when his contract is getting larger.  The locker room issues have been reported as an issue but other than Voth and Sorenson I don't know how big and don't care.

Smitty is one of my favorite players and he will be surely missed. Still I am a Panthers fan not a Smith fan and I have been around to see a bunch of my favorites come and go.  It is inevitable. 

 

Overthecap has a bit more..

 

If 2016 is already a foregone conclusion which GM is responsible?

 

 

Smith has three big money years remaining on his contract that he signed in 2012. The extension was more or less designed to be a two year deal that provided immediate salary cap relief that provided the Panthers with a five month renegotiating window in 2014. In 2012 Smith was in the final year of his contract and set to count for $10,713,111 against the salary cap. Set to earn $7.75 million, the Panthers increased his salary to $11 million and fully guaranteed him an additional $3.75 million in 2013 and $3 million in 2014. Carolina got his cap number down to a manageable $5,996,989 in 2012 and at worst was going to pay him $17.75 million for two years of work in 12 and 13. This is not much different than what the Ravens recently did with LB Terrell Suggs, except the Ravens did the smart thing and tackled Suggs’ age head on in his extension while the Panthers simply made it a headache to be worried about two years later.

Smith will earn $7 million in 2014, $7 million in 2015, and $9 million in 2016 under his current contract structure. Those numbers are unsustainable at his age. While NFL contracts are not guaranteed the Panthers poor cap management and heavy reliance on prorated bonuses has placed large amounts of dead money on the books for most of their players, Smith included. A portion of Smith’s $7 million salary in 2014 is one of those prorated bonuses. If the Panthers leave the contract as is that will lock them into a charge of at least $6 million in 2015 even if he retires or is released. Here are the actual salaries earned by some of the more recent “name players” from the ages of 35 onward with Smith’s current contract structure included for reference.

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The problem is that rotoworld took the option bonus which is actually 1 million for 3 years and lumped it together since exercising this year triggers it as a guarantee amount for the next 3 years and triggers the 2016 salary if I read it correctly

 

This site appears to give more details although it is likely more complicated than what is described by both.

www.spotrac.com

 

I have told you what the issues are from what I have read.  It is the money next year and the year after.  It is picking up the option bonus which would be guaranteed for the next 3 years.  It is diminished production at a time when his contract is getting larger.  The locker room issues have been reported as an issue but other than Voth and Sorenson I don't know how big and don't care.

Smitty is one of my favorite players and he will be surely missed. Still I am a Panthers fan not a Smith fan and I have been around to see a bunch of my favorites come and go.  It is inevitable. 

so how much does his contract go up this season?

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panthers55 Grand Master

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daaah well. i go by what I SEE & hear verbatim from PLAYERS not reporters. If that way makes more sense to you then...lol! & lastly, what they would call a "locker room issue" is what Cam himself credited as the reason for their 5 game winning streak before the game against the patriots. A good ol speech by Smitty...& then they go on to win their next 5 out of 6. Ohhh but he's just tearing the team apart isn't he?!....ha!

Are you really naive enough to believe that players tell you half of what goes on behind closed doors.  You think they aren't coached to tell you the same old non-issue discussions.  Do you think anyone would talk negatively about Smith while he still in the locker room and on the team to the media ?   Did players and staff talk about Chud that negatively before he left?  Or did they feel more free to tell things once he left for Cleveland.

Think about it for a minute, would Cam say anything negatively about Smith? If he did would people think that this shows maturity or is another example of Cam's poor leadership. What would happen if a player who is trying to exert his leadership is saying negative things in the press about a player who is very influential in the locker room. 

 

Problems are discussed in private not public.  If there were problems with Smitty you surely wouldn't hear about it in an interview unless it were being thrown out there by an unnamed team source as part of a bigger discussion about the team as a whole which is exactly what happened.

 

Why would team officials say this was a big problem if it wasn't??  And there are now 2 sources specifically saying it is.

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