Smitty meets with Gettleman today

[DaCityKats]

he may be gaining but he hasn't caught him yet. But I think at the end of the day that is why many want to just let go. I see 2 good years left.

 

i dont. he has regressed so much in the last 2 years, that it is painful at times to watch. sometimes he would rather fight DBs than catch balls. he literally looked like the old grumpy man at times on the field picking fights.

 

his role should be that of a 5'9 possession WR because that what he is now. in 3 WR sets, let him win in the slot. Welker eats from there mostly, and he hardly runs routes past 10-15 yards.(they do also throw a lot)

[TheRed]

Troll city in this thread.

[heel31ok]

There was nothing histrionic about my post. But ok, quick. He's certainly not as quick as ever.

 

Edit: I'd also like to point out the irony of you believing explosiveness is a subjective/not real (as if the two are related?) thing, but were too caught up in the distinction between fast and quick to give a proper response.

 well why don't you point it out in english? what two are/are not related? this whole post makes no sense. So you are saying fast and quick are the same thing, and that makes explosiveness not subjective? ok.

[TN05]

Steve is as quick as ever? Child, PLEASE! We all love Steve Smith here, but if you can't tell that he's not as fast as he used to be you're just not paying attention. Everyone wants to give Greg Olsen a hard time about his lack of YACs but what if I told you Steve Smith had the lowest YAC average on the team last year? That used to be his bread and butter. Steve is closer to a possession receiver than a big play threat at this stage in his career.

 

 

 

While that is true, when you look at drop %, he fell behind some of those guys in that category. Steve had 1 fewer drop than Antonio Brown, for example, but Brown had 56 more targets. Drop % is the fairest way to look at this statistic.

 

And in drop percentage he still ranks behind Brandon Marshall, Wes Welker, Cecil Shorts, Stevie Johnson, Reggie Wayne, Brian Hartline, and Vincent Jackson. Not exactly terrible receivers there.

And to your YPC argument... it doesn't matter. We weren't sending him on 20+ yard post routes so he didn't have that many opportunities to get a ton of yards. His YPC was lower in 2007, when he had to take a similar approach. For that matter, his YPC was virtually identical to Larry Fitzgerald. Are we going to argue he's washed up too? I know for a fact a few people here would gladly swap for him. A better stat to look at would be first downs and first down percentage - Steve got us 44 first downs on 64 catches, meaning he got a first down on 68.8% of his catches. That is pretty good compared to most other #1 receivers. Additionally, he didn't have a single fumble this year and was instrumental in the run blocking game.

[heel31ok]

i dont. he has regressed so much in the last 2 years, that it is painful at times to watch. sometimes he would rather fight DBs than catch balls. he literally looked like the old grumpy man at times on the field picking fights.

 

his role should be that of a 5'9 possession WR because that what he is now. in 3 WR sets, let him win in the slot. Welker eats from there mostly, and he hardly runs routes past 10-15 yards.(they do also throw a lot)

I have said all along move him to the slot. Absolutely the right move.He would thrive working out of the slot and it would open up the passing game  for everyone else.

 I am curious to know what you mean by regressed.

 As far as his attitude as long as he doesn't get the killer Personal foul call he can be grumpy all day to the DB's.

[heel31ok]

And in drop percentage he still ranks behind Brandon Marshall, Wes Welker, Cecil Shorts, Stevie Johnson, Reggie Wayne, Brian Hartline, and Vincent Jackson. Not exactly terrible receivers there.

And to your YPC argument... it doesn't matter. We weren't sending him on 20+ yard post routes so he didn't have that many opportunities to get a ton of yards. His YPC was lower in 2007, when he had to take a similar approach. For that matter, his YPC was virtually identical to Larry Fitzgerald. Are we going to argue he's washed up too? I know for a fact a few people here would gladly swap for him. A better stat to look at would be first downs and first down percentage - Steve got us 44 first downs on 64 catches, meaning he got a first down on 68.8% of his catches. That is pretty good compared to most other #1 receivers. Additionally, he didn't have a single fumble this year and was instrumental in the run blocking game.

yes many are arguing he is washed up.I don't see it . it will happen but he ain't there yet.

[DaCityKats]

I have said all along move him to the slot. Absolutely the right move.He would thrive working out of the slot and it would open up the passing game  for everyone else.

 I am curious to know what you mean by regressed.

 As far as his attitude as long as he doesn't get the killer Personal foul call he can be grumpy all day to the DB's.

 

regressed as in gaining separation from DBs like he used to, dropping balls, slipping when getting in and out of breaks, not high pointing the ball as well in coverage, and holding onto balls thru contact. its very noticeable, plus he sprains his knee on a simply slant route with no contact. father time is catching up with him, all those years of playing with reckless abandonment has caught up.

 

the attitude is cool when you are producing. but picking fights after plays and getting your ass kicked in plays like vs seattle is dumb.

[TheRed]

sometimes he would rather fight DBs than catch balls.

 

His physicality was instrumental throughout the season.

 

The games against the Rams, Patriots, and Dolphins for example. He lead the team in receiving for each of those.

[heel31ok]

regressed as in gaining separation from DBs like he used to, dropping balls, slipping when getting in and out of breaks, not high pointing the ball as well in coverage, and holding onto balls thru contact. its very noticeable, plus he sprains his knee on a simply slant route with no contact. father time is catching up with him, all those years of playing with reckless abandonment has caught up.

 

the attitude is cool when you are producing. but picking fights after plays and getting your ass kicked in plays like vs seattle is dumb.

6 dropped balls pretty much limits any significant lack of holding onto balls through contact.If he out right dropped 2 balls that leaves 4 he didn't hold onto through contact. Not much regressing to speak of.Not high pointing the ball as well so what number would you say descibes that this season? I would think regression would address skill level. I certainly wouldn't call an injury regressing. So the only valid point I see is separation and that as we agreed can be remedied by working out of the slot.

[heel31ok]

His physicality was instrumental throughout the season.

 

The games against the Rams, Patriots, and Dolphins for example. He lead the team in receiving for each of those.

and scored the only TD in the playoff game against the niners.That was classic SS fighting the DB for the ball. Attitude is everything with Steve Smith and the day he doesn't have it anymore is the day we can all say he needs to go.

[jarhead]

i dont. he has regressed so much in the last 2 years, that it is painful at times to watch. sometimes he would rather fight DBs than catch balls. he literally looked like the old grumpy man at times on the field picking fights.

 

his role should be that of a 5'9 possession WR because that what he is now. in 3 WR sets, let him win in the slot. Welker eats from there mostly, and he hardly runs routes past 10-15 yards.(they do also throw a lot)

  I  saw that he is still very dynamic creating separation at the very moment Cam released it picking up valuable yardage. Sure he is aging but lets see how this plays out. The question is who can we replace his production with and how much it will cost/

[DaCityKats]

His physicality was instrumental throughout the season.

 

The games against the Rams, Patriots, and Dolphins for example. He lead the team in receiving for each of those.

 

3 out 16. the Bucs, Jets and Falcons out physical him and it showed. plus he never went over 100 yards receiving, and he wasnt even the leading WR on the team. the #1 guy last season was a TE. no way in hell should he be making the kind of money he is signed for. if he wants to stay, he has to cut some of that money down.

 

 

[DaCityKats]

6 dropped balls pretty much limits any significant lack of holding onto balls through contact.If he out right dropped 2 balls that leaves 4 he didn't hold onto through contact. Not much regressing to speak of.Not high pointing the ball as well so what number would you say descibes that this season? I would think regression would address skill level. I certainly wouldn't call an injury regressing. So the only valid point I see is separation and that as we agreed can be remedied by working out of the slot.

 

his ability to go up and climb the ladder is not there anymore. hell most high balls he will not even attempt to get, and their have been several times where he quit on routes (Falcons game before halftime) his skill level is not as high as it used to be. sad that he is the best WR on the team actually.

[TheRed]

3 out 16. the Bucs, Jets and Falcons out physical him and it showed. plus he never went over 100 yards receiving, and he wasnt even the leading WR on the team. the #1 guy last season was a TE. no way in hell should he be making the kind of money he is signed for. if he wants to stay, he has to cut some of that money down.

 

I'll give you the Jets game, but he was second in receiving for both Tampa Bay games, and had 52 yards against Atlanta. He's not going to put up huge numbers every single game. I agree that his contract is high, but it comes down to who would you replace him with for cheaper.

 

It's not his fault that we are expecting him at 35 years old to still be our #1 receiver, and the focal point of our offense.