Smitty meets with Gettleman today

[NFLFangirl19]

I don't think we can assume that it would weaken the team at all. There are always options. Just because it wasn't addressed under Hurney doesn't mean that the new boss will ignore it as well. Players will be drafted and signed to contribute to the position. Will there be growing pains? Sure! But that shouldn't prevent the team from doing it.

Honestly, we were fortunate to go 12&4 this season with the offense we had. They defense saved our asses on more than a few occasions. Something has to be done about it and it looks as if it finally will. Unfortunately for Steve it looks as if his services verses cost is going to put him on the street. It's not dependent on whether there is someone on the team to replace him now.

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hes not leaving so this discussion is pretty much useless. Dont even know why i participated for this long. I'm done here

[MadHatter]

hes not leaving so this discussion is pretty much useless. Dont even know why i participated for this long. I'm done here

 

And there you have it....Gettleman's alt has spoken.

[frash.exe]

I just want whatever is going to happen to just happen already so I can stop stressing. Rip off the damned bandaid...

That's the way things happen with this franchise. Every process is like dental work.

[NFLFangirl19]

And there you have it....Gettleman's alt has spoken.

damn right

[csx]

Bullshit.

I know for a fact I heard that and he did say he is playing for career numbers now. I dont recall anything about the salary part one way or another.

[carpanfan96]

Way too much emotional thinking in this forum. Thinking with the heart involved in the discussion = never being a consistent winning team.

Smith wasn't explosive at all last season, it was clear that he had lost a step even on the deep throw in the playoff game. Plus smith has had drop problems the last two years with less targets and less explosive plays. He's just not worth 6 million guaranteed this season or 9 million next. Cutting him saves the team 16 million over the next three seasons. That's a significant amount of money.

[heel31ok]

Way too much emotional thinking in this forum. Thinking with the heart involved in the discussion = never being a consistent winning team.

Smith wasn't explosive at all last season, it was clear that he had lost a step even on the deep throw in the playoff game. Plus smith has had drop problems the last two years with less targets and less explosive plays. He's just not worth 6 million guaranteed this season or 9 million next. Cutting him saves the team 16 million over the next three seasons. That's a significant amount of money.

explosive is not a real thing, it is subjective thing, so using it as a standard to judge is useless. He is as quick as ever. What do you consider a drop problem? If you judge by that then we need to clean house because all the receivers have a drop problem. I don't think so but that is you reason so apply it across the board. We had less total targets so across the board that is relative. The money is also relative , so you want to save the team money, or cap space? Do want to apply overpaying players across the board or just to Smith? no one is worth what they are getting in their new deals.the team can afford the money that is not an issue. with no cap they would pay even more and not even blink.

 i have a question. If smith renogotiates and takes less money then goes off next season and maybe even the next do you call for the panthers to pay him more based on his worth and performance? bottom line is that the basis of all this is not about the money as much as the number 35.  Let's cut through all this. How much production do you require for it to be worth it to pay him at his current rate? 85/1100 10 tds?

[TN05]

Way too much emotional thinking in this forum. Thinking with the heart involved in the discussion = never being a consistent winning team.

Smith wasn't explosive at all last season, it was clear that he had lost a step even on the deep throw in the playoff game. Plus smith has had drop problems the last two years with less targets and less explosive plays. He's just not worth 6 million guaranteed this season or 9 million next. Cutting him saves the team 16 million over the next three seasons. That's a significant amount of money.

 

Steve ranked 29th in the league in drops last year (6 drops), and 21st in 2012 (7 drops). This is comprable to his drop numbers in 2005 (7th in league, 7 drops). He's had less drops than A.J. Green, Brandon Marshall, Cecil Shorts, Wes Welker, Julio Jones, Victor Cruz, Calvin Johnson, Vincent Jackson, Andre Johnson and Jimmy Graham - he does not have an issue with drops.

 

IMO, nobody was talking about cutting Steve until Gettleman 'suggested' it. The only reason people are trying to justify the idea is because some people can't comprehend that Gettleman could have made a mistake.

[heel31ok]

Steve ranked 29th in the league in drops last year, and 21st in 2012. He's had less drops than A.J. Green, Brandon Marshall, Cecil Shorts, Wes Welker, Julio Jones, Victor Cruz, Calvin Johnson, Vincent Jackson, Andre Johnson and Jimmy Graham - he does not have an issue with drops.

 

IMO, nobody was talking about cutting Steve until Gettleman 'suggested' it. The only reason people are trying to justify the idea is because some people can't comprehend that Gettleman could have made a mistake.

I think he misspoke but when you have a cult following they think everything is planned down to the letter and must be some genius plan that is in the works. 6 drops is not a drop problem. How many of those were high throws he got a hand on? wouldn't the 30 some odd uncatchables be more of an issue?

[neverlosethefeeling]

explosive is not a real thing, it is subjective thing, so using it as a standard to judge is useless. He is as quick as ever. What do you consider a drop problem? If you judge by that then we need to clean house because all the receivers have a drop problem. I don't think so but that is you reason so apply it across the board. We had less total targets so across the board that is relative. The money is also relative , so you want to save the team money, or cap space? Do want to apply overpaying players across the board or just to Smith? no one is worth what they are getting in their new deals.the team can afford the money that is not an issue. with no cap they would pay even more and not even blink.

 i have a question. If smith renogotiates and takes less money then goes off next season and maybe even the next do you call for the panthers to pay him more based on his worth and performance? bottom line is that the basis of all this is not about the money as much as the number 35.  Let's cut through all this. How much production do you require for it to be worth it to pay him at his current rate? 85/1100 10 tds?

 

Steve is as quick as ever? Child, PLEASE! We all love Steve Smith here, but if you can't tell that he's not as fast as he used to be you're just not paying attention. Everyone wants to give Greg Olsen a hard time about his lack of YACs but what if I told you Steve Smith had the lowest YAC average on the team last year? That used to be his bread and butter. Steve is closer to a possession receiver than a big play threat at this stage in his career.

 

 

Steve ranked 29th in the league in drops last year (6 drops), and 21st in 2012 (7 drops). This is comprable to his drop numbers in 2005 (7th in league, 7 drops). He's had less drops than A.J. Green, Brandon Marshall, Cecil Shorts, Wes Welker, Julio Jones, Victor Cruz, Calvin Johnson, Vincent Jackson, Andre Johnson and Jimmy Graham - he does not have an issue with drops.

 

IMO, nobody was talking about cutting Steve until Gettleman 'suggested' it. The only reason people are trying to justify the idea is because some people can't comprehend that Gettleman could have made a mistake.

 

While that is true, when you look at drop %, he fell behind some of those guys in that category. Steve had 1 fewer drop than Antonio Brown, for example, but Brown had 56 more targets. Drop % is the fairest way to look at this statistic.

 

 

 

[heel31ok]

Steve is as quick as ever? Child, PLEASE! We all love Steve Smith here, but if you can't tell that he's not as fast as he used to be you're just not paying attention. Everyone wants to give Greg Olsen a hard time about his lack of YACs but what if I told you Steve Smith had the lowest YAC average on the team last year? That used to be his bread and butter. Steve is closer to a possession receiver than a big play threat at this stage in his career.

 

 

 

While that is true, when you look at drop %, he fell behind some of those guys in that category. Steve had 1 fewer drop than Antonio Brown, for example, but Brown had 56 more targets. Drop % is the fairest way to look at this statistic.

fast? I didn't say fast.So spare the hysterionics.

[DaCityKats]

the guy is simply not worth his contract.father time catches everyone including #89.

[heel31ok]

the guy is simply not worth his contract.father time catches everyone including #89.

he may be gaining but he hasn't caught him yet. But I think at the end of the day that is why many want to just let go. I see 2 good years left.

[neverlosethefeeling]

fast? I didn't say fast.So spare the hysterionics.

 

There was nothing histrionic about my post. But ok, quick. He's certainly not as quick as ever.

 

Edit: I'd also like to point out the irony of you believing explosiveness is a subjective/not real (as if the two are related?) thing, but were too caught up in the distinction between fast and quick to give a proper response.