Jon Beason: Would we have been better off?

[SIGCHI222]

The cartilage in Beason's knee is non-existent...you realize this, yes?

The micro-fracture surgery he had was done in the hope that dead, congealed blood would simulate cartilage in the dead knee for a temporary fix.

 

He is using the last drop of KY Jelly for what should come naturally.

 

The Giants didn't resign him for a reason.

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

yes, no doubt in my mind that a guy with injury issues + a good lineman is better than having the best defensive player in football

 

and we would be better off with Jake Delhomme and AJ Green vs Cam Newton as well

[Evengelion]

Skipped 12 pages of this thread. But No I don't think we would be better off.

 

BUT I bet we would have done as well as we did in 2013. Beason would have brought it playing his position and maybe some OL we dratfed would have offset whatever advantage Keek has over  Beason.

 

BUT Keek is the basis of this defense...possibly the best defense in the league...for hopefully around a decade.

You, sir, are a smart thinker and don't just follow the crowd. Riley Reif was that LT we would have had and he's starting for Detroit, those guys throw the ball a lot. That means he's pretty solid. It's one of the best offenses in the league. We would have Gross as the LT and Reiff as the RT. Cam would have had a whole day to scan the field. Bad receivers would look great because they'd have extra time to get open. The running game would certainly be elevated. Now that Gross retires all we'd need to do is move Reiff to LT and keep pounding. That's the kind of thing great organizations do. There is a reason Hurney got fired but this board doesn't take into account that Keuchly was a Hurney pick.

 

People don't realize that even though you drafted a great player in Keuchly but bad GMs draft redundantly all the time. Take the Jags for example, they drafted Eugene Monroe top 10 in 2009 and 4 years later they drafted Luke Joekel top 5 and got rid of Monroe. Now Monroe is just 26 years old and a high profile FA. That shows the Jags keep BPA the drafts and have no plan for them. Hopefully we don't maintain that path. Great organizations don't do poo like that so they're constantly relevant.

 

With a better OL, would we have converted on the 1 yard line against the 9ers in the playoffs? I say, yes to that.

[Evengelion]

This thread be closed. The fact that we are having this conversation about a DPOY winner is silly at best. 

 

Moronic at worst 30 other teams ( I discounted San Fran, They have Willis and Bowman) would kill to have Luke as their mike. 

 

Lets not get stupid now

Would one of those teams give up their starting LT and MLB in return, though?

 

[rko396]

Close. It. Now.

[cbully]

looking at that video i'd say Beason still isn't there yet, if ever again. He can hit but something is weird about his tackling. Starting to look like Brian U out there. the smoothness is gone. nevertheless I'm glade he is continuing his dream in the NFL. And yes, Keek is a solid upgrade, so we win!

[panfan32]

I understand his stand point in this posting. My feelings are very simple. What the panthers were hoping for was the Beason would be able to slide over to the outside where he played his first season and excel. This would have given the panthers Beason, Kuechly, and Davis at LB starting. You have to remember that the time we drafted Kuechly, our biggest concern was Beason with and injury and Davis with his third ACL on the same knee. the draft pick for a player of Kuechly's caliber was the right choice to make at the time.

 

I hated to see Beason leave, but to be blunt, he was never going to make it at weak side linebacker. He blew coverage on TE's and HB's out of the backfield to many times in those first four games that costs us the win at Buffalo for sure.  Im happy that he has found a home in NY and that NY wants to keep him long tern. He's a great Mike Linebacker and an upgrade to most teams out there.

[OneBadCat]

I think if you entertain the argument the Panthers are probably 9-7 with Beason at MLB last year. You can bring up the fact that we could have drafted an o-lineman in place of Keuchly but you also have to consider how many times Keuchly's plays made the difference. 

 

Instead of the a phantom PI on Keuchly against NE, Beason probably gets beat on the play and the Pats win. Beason probably doesn't pick Brees off against the Saints, round 2.  Keuchly is in on just about every play and his ability to sniff plays out is better than Beasons. As smart as Beason is he doesn't have the instinctual reactions that Luke does. He played chess with Matt Ryan and showed his punk ass what was up. 

 

There were just too many situations where the defense had to make a play and give the offense another chance for me to believe that Beason would have been good enough to not be exploited. 

[Evengelion]

Close. It. Now.

Dude, this is a sports forum. It's all barbershop stuff. Stop taking it too serious. You mad, bro?

[Mr. Scot]

It's essentially the "giving up a dollar for two dimes" argument (one which Gettleman has pointed out makes no sense).

Kuechly is rightly in the discussion for best player in the league at his position, and probably leads that discussion.  Heck, his winning the DPOY means a load of people think he's the best defensive player at any position.

There was a time you could make the argument that Beason was the best Mike in the league too, but that hasn't been true for a few years now. Riley Reiff has never been in that discussion at his spot, nor is he ever likely to be.

And as far as direct comparison of who's better right now, unless you're the world's biggest Beason fan, there's really no contest. It isn't even close.

The Panthers made the right call, no question.

[lola]

Wow. Sigh.

[sharkkiller]

At least you making a football response. So I can respect that. I know, the financial part could have been detrimental. But if we put that aside I think it's a viable scenario because Beason did finish the season healthy with the Giants. I think this was more a financial decision for Hurney than it was Xs and Os. And soon enough Keuchly will cost too.

 

How can you say put aside the financial part, when it is part of your earlier argument? 

 

You said

 

 

 

Players are getting older and contracts are coming up. You can't build teams sequentially. You cannot keep adding one good player at a time. Let me guess, a LT this year, a WR next year? By then we'll owe Keuchly a 60 mil contract and Cam 100 mil. You have to strike when the iron is hot. Those players aren't getting cheap by the year. With my scenario all we would have need for this year is a franchise WR and some work on the secondary. Now we're going into the off season trying to find a franchise player for both position. Very hard to do. Beason is not that far apart from Keuchly. The dude was in 3 pro bowls and he was only 28. That's accomplished right there.

 

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That's it very hard to get in one off season with no money and drafting bottom of the draft.

 

 

So in the middle of an already ridiculous thread, you start talking out of both sides of your mouth.

 

You cannot present this hypothetical situation asking for discussion and then just diregarding every counter argument.

 

Oh, and while we are talking about money.....a starting LT, and Beasons extension, would add up to waaay more than paying Keek and a rookie tackle from this years draft.

[sharkkiller]

Would one of those teams give up their starting LT and MLB in return, though?

 

For Keek? Probably. But I am no GM, and thank the good lord you are not either.

[Evengelion]

For Keek? Probably. But I am no GM, and thank the good lord you are not either.

You're putting too much importance on an ILB in the 4-3. ILB's weakness can be masked by forcing teams to rush outside with good DTs. No team is giving up their franchise LT for an ILB. ILBs are sometimes rendered useless when teams throw the ball a lot. Like the first Saints game. Keuchly was getting burned left and right by Graham. Keuchly had to turn around to find out where graham was: in the endzone :lol: . In the second game the rain forced the Saints to keep the ball on the ground thus Keuchly excelled. In this modern passing offenses ILBs aren't that valuable. 4 OT will be selected before we have a chance to get one. They're highly valuable commodity.