Still loving Gettleman?

[C47]

I don't think he is treating Smitty like a has been. He is learning and has made mistakes but nothing to hate him for yet. On the other hand nothing to make one  trust him unconditionally.

 

This is the only correct answer. We haven't even seen the guy negotiate a major contract yet....

[heel31ok]

Special players/employees are treated differently but if they aren't producing anymore they are no longer special for the present or future. Steve has been special for the past 10+ years and he deserves alot of credit for that but going forward he is no longer special. 

 

It is kinda like a car. It has been the cornerstone of your life but after 10+ years the car is starting to breakdown. There comes a time when you say man it is not worth taking this car to get fixed anymore.

well until that time comes Smitty will be here. I say at least 2 more years. I'll revisit your "special" comment at the end of next season. Don't worry you will have time to change your tune before I say something.

[heel31ok]

I don't really think the media is blowing it up tbh. They reported a direct quote and inferred what every other logical human being would from the quote. People being so quick to criticize the media should really take off the blinders and accept that Getleman has handled the 89 situation about as bad as a GM possibly could.

most logical humans would infer it was a generic GM speak response that really meant nothing because at that point there was nothing to say.

[Ken]

Well since this is how things are done in New York, I guess the Giants front office should currently be publicly distancing themselves from Eli Manning through the media. Oh, you mean to tell me they aren't? They actually had a dialogue with him, and decided to hire a new offensive coordinator? Interesting.

Huh? How is this comparable?

[Rise of The Hive]

I love what he has done / is doing, thank you very much.

[C47]

most logical humans would infer it was a generic GM speak response that really meant nothing because at that point there was nothing to say.

 

No they wouldn't actually. But I'm not going to go back and forth. You don't make those comments about the greatest player in the history of the franchise you're representing unless you have an ulterior motive (ie forcing Smitty's hand in a restructure). Also, why was Smitty handled differently then Gross? Last year Gettleman had a private conversation with Jordan and worked out a solution that fit for both parties. Instead with Steve he says something about the situation to the media before even giving him a phone call? That's a pretty big problem whether you want to accept/admit it or not.

 

By the way generic GM speak isn't "Steve's had a great career but none of us are here forever....he's part of the evaluation process". Especially after the organization made sure everyone knew how important he was to have back for the playoffs. Generic GM speak would be "Steve is a great player, and an important member of the Carolina Panthers, we need more Steve Smith's on this roster to get where we want to be". To each their own though...

[TheRed]

Huh? How is this comparable?

In every thread about Hakeem Nicks there are usually numerous people talking like Eli Manning is some bum who only throws interceptions apparently. Not to mention he recently turned 33. Gettleman spent a large part of his career there, and many want to chalk up his straight shooter no bs mentality to his time there, so why wouldn't we look at how they handle things? It is not some other worldly wizardry to actually have an adult dialogue with your players that have a huge impact on your franchise.

[PantherPhann89]

I like what Gettleman has done with the team since his arrival. Although I don't know about forcing Gross to restructure. Gross along with others, has restructured their contract to help put the team in a better place cap wise. Besides, I don't believe that any of them lost any money due to the restructure. However, what I don't like is how he treated Steve Smith. Smith is deserving of more respect that what Gettleman gave him. You don't treat a player of Smith's caliber like that. He should've been informed of what was about to be said to the press in regards to his future.

[Ken]

In every thread about Hakeem Nicks there are usually numerous people talking like Eli Manning is some bum who only throws interceptions apparently. Not to mention he recently turned 33. Gettleman spent a large part of his career there, and many want to chalk up his straight shooter no bs mentality to his time there, so why wouldn't we look at how they handle things? It is not some other worldly wizardry to actually have an adult dialogue with your players that have a huge impact on your franchise.

Still not really seeing the comparison.

On your point though, do you really think he wouldn't have had a talk with Smitty?

This is getting blown way, way out of proportion, just like the Cam thing. He was answering a question very similar to the way he answered most of the other roster questions. I don't really have a problem with what he said bases on his rhetoric he has showed so far.

[heel31ok]

No they wouldn't actually. But I'm not going to go back and forth. You don't make those comments about the greatest player in the history of the franchise you're representing unless you have an ulterior motive (ie forcing Smitty's hand in a restructure). Also, why was Smitty handled differently then Gross? Last year Gettleman had a private conversation with Jordan and worked out a solution that fit for both parties. Instead with Steve he says something about the situation to the media before even giving him a phone call? That's a pretty big problem whether you want to accept/admit it or not.

 

By the way generic GM speak isn't "Steve's had a great career but none of us are here forever....he's part of the evaluation process". Especially after the organization made sure everyone knew how important he was to have back for the playoffs. Generic GM speak would be "Steve is a great player, and an important member of the Carolina Panthers, we need more Steve Smith's on this roster to get where we want to be". To each their own though...

it was generic everybody gets evaluated every year that is a logical thing which is why it is not news.It is also not what a straight forward business like personality does. It doesn't fit his personality. It was an innocent comment that got blown way out of perportion and again is just part of his learning experience as a GM.

 

 yes the "great career " comment is generic and just means everyone is evaluated and will be treated according to that evaluation as it should be.nothing wrong with the point he made just needs to learn to be more vague. Yes to each his own. I have no doubt G-man will learn from this.

[heel31ok]

I like what Gettleman has done with the team since his arrival. Although I don't know about forcing Gross to restructure. Gross along with others, has restructured their contract to help put the team in a better place cap wise. Besides, I don't believe that any of them lost any money due to the restructure. However, what I don't like is how he treated Steve Smith. Smith is deserving of more respect that what Gettleman gave him. You don't treat a player of Smith's caliber like that. He should've been informed of what was about to be said to the press in regards to his future.

i agree and that is why i don't think what G-man intentional bbut just off hand. There is no ring of truth given G-man's personality that this was some message he was sending Smith. In the end I think this will come out and all will be fine with G-man and Smith.

[top dawg]

Special players/employees are treated differently but if they aren't producing anymore they are no longer special for the present or future. Steve has been special for the past 10+ years and he deserves alot of credit for that but going forward he is no longer special. 

 

It is kinda like a car. It has been the cornerstone of your life but after 10+ years the car is starting to breakdown. There comes a time when you say man it is not worth taking this car to get fixed anymore.

 

But Steve Smith is still producing, and is in the top half of the league as far as receiving.  I think that it is presumptuous to assume that Smith's production has decreased because he is breaking down. The OC's conservative play calling, as well as the FO's reluctance for the past few years to get a legit threat opposite 89 adds to the misconception that Smith can no longer produce at a high level.  Sure, he isn't what he once was, but he isn't dead by any means.

[TheRed]

Still not really seeing the comparison.

On your point though, do you really think he wouldn't have had a talk with Smitty?

This is getting blown way, way out of proportion, just like the Cam thing. He was answering a question very similar to the way he answered most of the other roster questions. I don't really have a problem with what he said bases on his rhetoric he has showed so far.

I'm not directly comparing both players situations, but the level of communication, and the handling of said players who are getting older, and experiencing changes in their production that are being perceived as struggles.

Well based on Steve Smith's own comments it doesn't sound like there was a conversation, and he seemed legitimately blindsided by it. Both this situation, and the Cam situation last year have indeed been blown out of proportion by the media. But it is Gettleman who is ultimately in charge of managing the roster. If the media runs away with a fabricated story based on his comments, as a grown man in charge of other grown men, one would think that he would at least make an attempt to set the record straight for the sake of preventing a needless distraction in his teams locker room. He didn't for the Cam situation, and he hasn't so far for this fiasco with Steve Smith, and it is only getting bigger, just like the situation last year.

Of course all this could have been avoided by not giving the local media vague potentially inflammatory quotes to run away with, because even the fans here know all they generally care about is creating a story instead of actually being real sports journalists.

[Ken]

I'm not directly comparing both players situations, but the level of communication, and the handling of said players who are getting older, and experiencing changes in their production that are being perceiving as struggles.

Well based on Steve Smith's own comments it doesn't sound like there was a conversation, and he seemed legitimately blindsided by it. Both this situation, and the Cam situation last year have indeed been blown out of proportion by the media. But it is Gettleman who is ultimately in charge of managing the roster. If the media runs away with a fabricated story based on his comments, as a grown man in charge of other grown men, one would think that he would at least make an attempt to set the record straight for the sake of preventing a needless distraction in his teams locker room. He didn't for the Cam situation, and he hasn't so far for this fiasco with Steve Smith, and it is only getting bigger, just like the situation last year.

Of course all this could have been avoided by not giving the local media vague potentially inflammatory quotes to run away with, because even the fans here know all they generally care about is creating a story instead of actually being real sports journalists.

I didn't mean talk to Smitty before his comments but after/down the line. Gentleman has been busy with the draft and getting other players to restructure. I'm sure he would have spoken to Smitty down the road and talked to him about his future. He just answered the question in his style of rhetoric, like "evaluating" "part of the puzzle" "it's a process"

And what happened with the Cam thing? Nothing because it was a non story. Most of that "fiasco" was outside the locker room and not in it.

Of course Smitty is different to Cam and anything that even sounds like a slight to him, will make him react(exactly how he did) because of that still huge chip on his shoulder and fiery personality.

And if a grown man, legend or not can't handle comments about him being "evaluated" thats a bigger problem, imo.

As long as Gentleman is straight with players in the locker room and have a good rapport with them, I'm fine and I'm sure the team will be too.