Still loving Gettleman?

[MHS831]

And nearly all of those guys are free agents this year. You can't say what hurney, or another gm would have done in that situation. How can you say we weren't trending up to 12-4 good when most of our loses during the 7-9 season came witching the last minute. We were just a team that needed to put it together and we did. For all the players you named I can name bigger players who played bigger roles drafted by Hurney. Our core players were brought here by Hurney.

Gettleman made some nice additions, but if you can't blame him after one season then you sure as hell can't give him all the credit. He will be judged on the years to come. The biggest reason for last season was Cam making smarter decisions, Luke was a full year starter, and Rivera got his poo together.

Let's not forget this team was 1-3 again, until Rivera changed his coaching style.

 

I see that Rivera changed his coaching style, but that was really an act of desperation that paid off-was it Gettlemen's fault DWill fumbled vs. Seattle?  Did Gettlemen tell Ron to kick a FG on 4th and 1 in Buffalo?... No, I can't say what Hurney would have done here, but I can tell what he did; made it difficult for the next guy. Gettlemen signed one-year deals because he had few options. 

 

Nobody is giving Gettlemen all of the credit.  Where did I say that?  I said time will tell, but his first year was an A+ and he has received a ton of praise from around the league, as Rivera has.  This thread was about Gettlemen, so I am commenting on HIS role in this process.

 

Ask any coach and they will tell the secret to wnning is having better players than the other guys.  Gettlemen's job is getting players. They won games.  That is not taking anything away from Rivera, but it strongly suggests he did a good job of getting players in here that won.

 

In the NFL, people are paid to win, not trend.

 

[tiger7_88]

"Steve's had a great career"....

You're right, that's some strange bizarro future imperfect tense.....oh wait, no it isn't....

"Steve's had" = "Steve HAS HAD" = present perfect tense, dumbass. NOT past tense.

[tiger7_88]

i'm wondering if this happened to Cam at the end of his career what you would say.

I can assure you, I'd never be offended when someone notes that one of my Auburn kids HAS HAD a great career. That's a compliment.

And if those same kids are declining and in the sunset of their careers, I certainly would not be shocked if they are evaluated by their team's management as to their value to the team.

I love me some Ronnie Brown (former 2nd overall pick to the Dolphins in 2005), but he's been barely hanging on in this league for years now. I'm supposed to be insulted because teams make a judgement that he's barely adequate at this point in his career? Its just the damn truth, not NFL Fantasy Camp.

[cbully]

that really means nothing at all unless you want to fire the whole team every year we don't go to a SB.

the point was we must move forward... the same ole results in the same ole... I've seen enough lack of winning since 2004. Yes some of those seasons were ok but look at the majority or reasoning. Lack of help, lack of money, lack of fundamentals, etc. therefore, what ever gets us to an officially good team level is necessary. one winning season every so often is not true success. furthermore, i'm a smith/gross fan but the reality those guys are aging and not what they were 11 years ago. so then, DG is doing his job it's the boys around here that can't handle break ups.  #attachment

[cbully]

I agree with part of this--it is a tough one to answer. We were trending up, but not to 12-4 without a great GM.  Here is a list of my reasons we turned the corner:

Despite being +$16 million over the cap, Gettlemen brought in at least 13 players who played key roles, many as starters. 

 

Mike Mitchell (starter)

Ted Ginn (key role as a WR and KR)

Chase Blackburn (starter)

Star Lotulelei (starter)

KK Short (key role in rotation)

Drayton Florence (part time starter, key role in rotation)

Captain Munnerlyn (starter---re-signed after letting him dabble in free agency)

Dwan Edwards (starter---re-signed after letting him dabble in free agency)

Travelle Wharton (starter)

Quintin Mikell (starter)

Melvin White (starter--undrafted free agent)

Robert Lester (key special teamer and rotational player--undrafted free agent)

Colin Cole (starter)

 

Not one big contract in the bunch.  He found starters in the draft and free agency that constituted nearly HALF of the 22 starting players.  

those guys are key to us picking us where we left off. though some weren't highlighted, its because they are obviously here next year or we can do without. Great post btw

[CarolinaCoolin]

You are the one who went out of your way to quote, and attack me regarding a matter in which you had no clue what you were talking about.

Oh, but I am the tool? Thanks for the insults, have a good evening.

You are a tool for even caring about why another human being became a panther fan and then trying to attack him with it. Get off this huge moral high horse you try to ride and ditch this holier than now act because it makes you look like a fugging tool

[TheRumGone]

I can assure you, I'd never be offended when someone notes that one of my Auburn kids HAS HAD a great career. That's a compliment.

And if those same kids are declining and in the sunset of their careers, I certainly would not be shocked if they are evaluated by their team's management as to their value to the team.

I love me some Ronnie Brown (former 2nd overall pick to the Dolphins in 2005), but he's been barely hanging on in this league for years now. I'm supposed to be insulted because teams make a judgement that he's barely adequate at this point in his career? Its just the damn truth, not NFL Fantasy Camp.

 

thats not what i posted.

 

i posted i would wonder what you thought of Cam coming out and saying what Steve Smith said. And yes that could surely happen.

[Blackmagic]

He's the number one WR on this team whether some of you choose to accept that or not. He's not going to find a guy that outplays Smitty in 2014 bargain shopping in FA or at #28 in the Draft. 

 

I was talking more about production instead of role. He'll be the number one WR until the team finds someone better, but I think that Gettleman wants to pay him for his production instead of his role. He wants him to take a pay cut like Gross. 

Gross was forced to take the pay cut or else he would have been cut. 

[Snake]

I agree with part of this--it is a tough one to answer. We were trending up, but not to 12-4 without a great GM.  Here is a list of my reasons we turned the corner:

Despite being +$16 million over the cap, Gettlemen brought in at least 13 players who played key roles, many as starters. 

 

Mike Mitchell (starter)

Ted Ginn (key role as a WR and KR)

Chase Blackburn (starter)

Star Lotulelei (starter)

KK Short (key role in rotation)

Drayton Florence (part time starter, key role in rotation)

Captain Munnerlyn (starter---re-signed after letting him dabble in free agency)

Dwan Edwards (starter---re-signed after letting him dabble in free agency)

Travelle Wharton (starter)

Quintin Mikell (starter)

Melvin White (starter--undrafted free agent)

Robert Lester (key special teamer and rotational player--undrafted free agent)

Colin Cole (starter)

 

Not one big contract in the bunch.  He found starters in the draft and free agency that constituted nearly HALF of the 22 starting players.  

 

I really doubt we turned the corner because of Wharton and the bottom 3. Also 6 of those guys are going to be walking out of the door this year because of 1 yr deals. That means we have to pull a rabbit out of the hat again this year to make it to the playoffs. Right now as we sit we are a worse team than last year and need even more improvement. Like I said before with his moves people are going to be calling for his head at the end of the year unless he pulls a Hail Mary.

[C47]

I was talking more about production instead of role. He'll be the number one WR until the team finds someone better, but I think that Gettleman wants to pay him for his production instead of his role. He wants him to take a pay cut like Gross. 

Gross was forced to take the pay cut or else he would have been cut. 

 

Gross was also given the courtesy of a private conversation to reach that solution. Steve Smith wasn't given the same respect Jordan was.

[Ken]

I would hardly call the Cam thing a "non story", since just about every time our team struggled that came up, especially early in the season.

It's not about being or not being able to "handle" comments, but creating a basic dialogue. My hope is that one has occurred by now, as it should have anyway to begin with. It's just disappointing that we are heading into Gettleman's second season as our GM, and for the second time we are dealing with the fallout stemming from his own comments about one of the key players in our franchise at a press conference.

Because Can wasn't questioned in his 2nd year when he didn't play well? The Gettleman comments didn't change anything. When GMan was hired people were already saying Cam wasn't his type of QB. And as I said it was a non issue in the locker room/front office which is all that matters.

And again, you are over reacting to mainly media driven story.

[MHS831]

I really doubt we turned the corner because of Wharton and the bottom 3. Also 6 of those guys are going to be walking out of the door this year because of 1 yr deals. That means we have to pull a rabbit out of the hat again this year to make it to the playoffs. Right now as we sit we are a worse team than last year and need even more improvement. Like I said before with his moves people are going to be calling for his head at the end of the year unless he pulls a Hail Mary.

 

Right, but people are forgetting, it is very hard to build when you are given a team with ridiculous contracts and you are 12% over the cap.  I think Gettlemen showed his eye for talent, but the real building probably won't start until the dead money starts falling off the books.   Are we really expecting him to build from what he inherited? 

 

I think winning was very important to the community.  Last year, we were fighting over the stadium renovations and discussing the possibility of the team moving to L.A.  A few more losing seasons, which is where this team was headed without some immediate changes, could have been catastrophic.

 

I think he will build a team, but it is going to take a few years to squeeze Hurney's idiocy off the books. 

[top dawg]

Gettleman answered the Smith question exactly like he should have.  EVERY player is being evaluated....should they be upgraded, are they playing at a level comensurate with their salary/cap, etc

 

Gett is showing that everyone has to produce at a level that warrants their pay (no exceptions)....and this is the right thing to do.

 

If G-man answered the question exactly like he should have, then it wouldn't have gotten as big as it did. Why everyone is just trying to discount having some tact and wisdom is beyond me, but, hey, it is what it is.

 

I am steadfast in my opinion that G-man should have said something to this effect:

 

"Smitty has been an invaluable member of the Carolina Panthers. Going forward he is part of the puzzle. Next question."

 

No one has yet to tell me how what he said is a better answer than what I said. You know why, because frankly it's not. The answer above suggests that Smitty is an important part going forward, buy doesn't commit to him being a part going forward.  More importantly, it doesn't mention Smith like he is in the past tense. None of that. It's being truthful, but leaves latitude. It doesn't paint yourself into a corner, and in fact doesn't leave a reporter any wiggle room because it can be repeated if necessary (and as necessary). Furthermore, it speaks for itself. 

 

Just because you are a straight-shooter and have a right to say something any way you want, doesn't mean that you should say something any way you want. This is especially true when dealing with delicate issues like people's jobs and lives. To me, it's common sense, but from people's responses maybe it's not so common.

 

And, for the record (again), I love the way G-man has handles his business overall, but that doesn't mean that the man is perfect. People should stop trying to treat him as though he is.

[MHS831]

If G-man answered the question exactly like he should have, then it wouldn't have gotten as big as it did. Why everyone is just trying to discount having some tact and wisdom is beyond me, but, hey, it is what it is.

 

I am steadfast in my opinion that G-man should have said something to this effect:

 

"Smitty has been an invaluable member of the Carolina Panthers. Going forward he is part of the puzzle. Next question."

 

No one has yet to tell me how what he said is a better answer than what I said. You know why, because frankly it's not. The answer above suggests that Smitty is an important part going forward, buy doesn't commit to him being a part going forward.  More importantly, it doesn't mention Smith like he is in the past tense. None of that. It's being truthful, but leaves latitude. It doesn't paint yourself into a corner, and in fact doesn't leave a reporter any wiggle room because it can be repeated if necessary (and as necessary). Furthermore, it speaks for itself. 

 

Just because you are a straight-shooter and have a right to say something any way you want, doesn't mean that you should say something any way you want. This is especially true when dealing with delicate issues like people's jobs and lives. To me, it's common sense, but from people's responses maybe it's not so common.

 

And, for the record (again), I love the way G-man has handles his business overall, but that doesn't mean that the man is perfect. People should stop trying to treat him as though he is.

 

I am sure that Gettlemen would do it over if he could, and I am willing to bet he has mended the fence already.  The press is trying to sell a version of the truth, not the whole truth.  However,  you could also say, "Should Smitty have asked Gettlemen what he meant before making comments to the media?"  Gettlemen was using the present perfect tense of the verb, and Smitty called it the past tense, which changes the meaning (forgot who made that point frst).   However, Gettlemen missed an opportunity (as you say) to give the best player in franchise history his due.

 

Gettlemen could probably use a few lessons in media relations, but the man is honest.  This is why athletes and coaches etc. are trained in using cliches during interviews.