Schefter: 2014 cap rising 5% to 130 million (extra 7 million for us to spend)

[TrianglePanther]

That means 31 other teams have 7 more mil to spend.

Tag becomes more of a possibility though.

[Pantherman]

The franchise tag number will go up along with the cap

 

How is that? I don't think the price of the franchise tag has anything do with the cap going up. Hardy would get paid what the avg. salary was of the top 5 DEs last year. It doesn't increase just because the cap goes up. But it really doesn't really matter. Either we will tag and try to trade him. If it doesn't work then we remove the tag and let  him walk. That or we sign him to full contract. Now that we have the extra 7 mill. We now have room to finally give a long term contract to him without hurting the cap. That is if DG decides us the extra 7 million on him.

[neverlosethefeeling]

How is that? I don't think the price of the franchise tag has anything do with the cap going up. Hardy would get paid what the avg. salary was of the top 5 DEs last year. It doesn't increase just because the cap goes up. But it really doesn't really matter. Either we will tag and try to trade him. If it doesn't work then we remove the tag and let  him walk. That or we sign him to full contract. Now that we have the extra 7 mill. We now have room to finally give a long term contract to him without hurting the cap. That is if DG decides us the extra 7 million on him.

 

Yes it can.

 

1.  The formula has changed.

Under prior labor deals, the non-exclusive franchise tag was determined by calculating the average of the five highest-paid players at each position from the prior year.  Under the 2011 CBA, the franchise tenders come from a more complex procedure.

Under Article 10, Section 2 of the CBA, the number is based on the five-year average cap percentage for the tag at each position.

So it’s no longer driven by what players at the same position made in the prior season, but by the average cap percentage consumed by the franchise tender over five years.  Then, that percentage will be applied to the 2013 salary cap to determine the franchise tender at each position.

 

 

 

Assuming percentages remain the same--and they will--an increase in cap means an increase in tag value.

 

Source: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/28/10-things-to-know-about-the-franchise-tag/

[d-dave]

I do find it interesting that people want to use the extra money to dump both Williams and Stewart.  So who replaces them?  Barner?  Tolbert?  Maybe Tolbert, but for an entire season?  He'd have to lose that FB weight to run the ball 25+ times a game.  I don't think we jettison both at the same time.  At least a healthy Stewart is something we know.  Insert draft pick X isn't a workable formula.

 

Also, I think the bigger increase helps the case for keeping Hardy.  While Cam won't hold out, he's going to get taken care of by the team at some point.  I think Cam would like to have as much of that dominate D back to make his job easier.  Also, the prevailing "winds" from the NFL beat writers is that you don't let 25 year old pass rushers walk, ever.  Not in this NFL.  I will say, that doesn't sound terrible.

[beastson]

Can we cut stew and d.will now?

[pantherclaw]

releasing Stewart? Not gonna happen.

I'd go into the reasons why, but it's clear common sense isn't common around here.

[rayzor]

I do find it interesting that people want to use the extra money to dump both Williams and Stewart.  So who replaces them?  Barner?  Tolbert?  Maybe Tolbert, but for an entire season?  He'd have to lose that FB weight to run the ball 25+ times a game.  I don't think we jettison both at the same time.  At least a healthy Stewart is something we know.  Insert draft pick X isn't a workable formula.

 

Also, I think the bigger increase helps the case for keeping Hardy.  While Cam won't hold out, he's going to get taken care of by the team at some point.  I think Cam would like to have as much of that dominate D back to make his job easier.  Also, the prevailing "winds" from the NFL beat writers is that you don't let 25 year old pass rushers walk, ever.  Not in this NFL.  I will say, that doesn't sound terrible.

 

it's a tough call.

 

i was looking at overthecap's salary cap calculator and i'm sure this isn't completely right for stewart and if it is i'd like to know how, but cutting williams after june 1 frees up $2mil. cutting stewart after june 1 makes his dead money the amount his cap space would be if he stayed (which is just under $5.5mil).

 

looking at just the past couple years, esp. last year, williams is the more reliable/healthy. if we were to keep one of them (which i think we should) then williams is who i would keep.

 

if there is some way that we can cut loose one or both williams and stewart and keep hardy, we should do it, imo.

 

as far as what we'd do at RB....well, we'd draft someone and run with the draft pick/tolbert/barner/cam. i don't think we'd see much of a set back in run game production doing that, but what we'd gain is cap space down the road.

 

one thing that we've seen league wide is that you don't need to spend a whole lot on RBs or draft them early to get the production you need in the run game. we can make do with a whole lot less. our run game wasn't one of the best in the league last year because of williams and stewart. it was because of the other guys around and the scheme.

 

we just don't need to have cap space long term committed to those two guys. they just aren't worth it and we need that money to pay players who are worth it.

[jptaylor84]

So can some kind informed person on the huddle tel me how much cap space WE have now?

[Happy Panther]

I'll withold my excitement until i hear something from a legit source. i don't really trust schefter or espn.

 

it will be great if they aren't, once again, slinging poo to see if it sticks.

 

It's coming from "league executives" so it isn't exactly fact but sounds legit

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000326792/article/nfl-salary-cap-expected-to-increase-to-about-130-m

[Happy Panther]

So can some kind informed person on the huddle tel me how much cap space WE have now?

http://overthecap.com/calculator/?Team=Panthers

 

Based on this $12M before the cap increase. So 16 after and then another 8 if we Jue 1 cut CJ.

 

So we may be looking at $24M soon...which still isn't enough to resign Hardy and extend Cam

[Ken]

The projected cap was 126, so technically we have 4 extra mil to work with, not 7.

[CatMan72]

The projected cap was 126, so technically we have 4 extra mil to work with, not 7.

 

Right, but it's still a 7 million increase over last years cap. 

[Ken]

Right, but it's still a 7 million increase over last years cap.

True but the op post was misleading.

The cap space are always discussed using the projected cap and not last year's cap.

[Happy Panther]

releasing Stewart? Not gonna happen.

I'd go into the reasons why, but it's clear common sense isn't common around here.

 

June 1 cut doesn't affect our cap space much. Could happen