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Carolina Panthers Versus The South Part One: The New Orleans Saints.....

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I've never really bought into Sean Payton. Sure, the Saints do have great talent, but where are the results other than the cinderella run in 2006? Saint J was here last year talking about bad the Saints were gonna kick our ass and it never happened, I think it'll be more of the same this year.

The Saints will never ever be that good or get very far because they live in a party city. There is too much trouble to get into. They just can't focus.

Brees = Archie Manning good QB wrong city for winning... but having a good time oooh yeah!

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The Saints will never ever be that good or get very far because they live in a party city. There is too much trouble to get into. They just can't focus.

Brees = Archie Manning good QB wrong city for winning... but having a good time oooh yeah!

How come you don't hear about our players getting into trouble in the city then? ''Party City'' includes a whopping one neighborhood in our city. Locals and I'm sure the Saints know to stay away. New Orleanians dislike Bourbon St, etc. like New Yorkers hate Times Square.

I've heard about a ton of more DUIs and such in Miami, NYC, and Atlanta than New Orleans. Besides ATL, those teams certainly don't have a problem winning SBs.

Manning's problem was the lack of a team around him, back then the owner was hiring astronauts to be GM and such. It was a disaster. Luckily Tom Benson took over the team in 1985 and we're two 10+ seasons from having a winning pct. in his tenure.

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How come you don't hear about our players getting into trouble in the city then? ''Party City'' includes a whopping one neighborhood in our city. Locals and I'm sure the Saints know to stay away. New Orleanians dislike Bourbon St, etc. like New Yorkers hate Times Square.

I've heard about a ton of more DUIs and such in Miami, NYC, and Atlanta than New Orleans. Besides ATL, those teams certainly don't have a problem winning SBs.

Manning's problem was the lack of a team around him, back then the owner was hiring astronauts to be GM and such. It was a disaster. Luckily Tom Benson took over the team in 1985 and we're two 10+ seasons from having a winning pct. in his tenure.

You know what J? I respect you because you are a true fan. Know why? Because I'm also a Cubs and Bears fan so you gotta have a sense of humor to stay a fan of a loosing team. Sometimes you think " This may be the year" but unfortunately you end up saying that every year.

Loyalty is Golden. Keep your head up man.

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It's been the ability to have a balance between great defense and offense. In the early 90s we had the best linebacking core in NFL history but couldn't win playoff games. Those Saints teams literally destroyed the opposing offense. Thing is, they never won a playoff game. Why? Our offense was anemic and it didn't help to play Montana and Rice twice a year.

In 2000 I think we had the best balance the franchise had ever seen but we ran into the Carter & Moss show on the wrong day.

In 2006 our offense was great, the defense decent. We just really had no shot of taking down a Bears team in the cold snow. Deuce was worn out from the week prior so we couldn't play physical with them and lost. Can't win in the cold by passing.

I think Williams brings me hope that we can finally have that balance to have a great offense and a good defense. I'm a defensive minded guy and I'd like nothing more than an attacking defense. :)

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How does that prove the point that the Saints will always suck with Brees? Wait, I'm expecting reasonable posts from a DWilliams/Stewart fan. Silly me.

I never said they will always suck with brees, however i dont believe the saints pass happy offence is doing your defence any favors...

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How so? A lot of our drives are very long due to the nature of the offense, even with passes. The Saints have a very physical line, PT, Bush, and Mike Bell just need to give Payton the confidence to run the ball consistently. PT was able to last year and we had a balanced offense for a good bit of the 2nd half of the year.

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How so? A lot of our drives are very long due to the nature of the offense, even with passes. The Saints have a very physical line, PT, Bush, and Mike Bell just need to give Payton the confidence to run the ball consistently. PT was able to last year and we had a balanced offense for a good bit of the 2nd half of the year.

You don't have a physical line. You have a line which is good in pass blocking aided by Brees having a quick delivery and being shifty in the pocket. The only reason you get decent yards per rush is because folks are concentrating on stopping the pass. You did have more of a balanced attack in the second half. But not consistently. Look at the Panther game for example the last game. You threw 82% of the time. You were 28th in rushing in the league not even averaging 100 yards a game. If balanced for you means you throw for twice as many yards as you run, then you were balanced.

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You don't have a physical line. You have a line which is good in pass blocking aided by Brees having a quick delivery and being shifty in the pocket. The only reason you get decent yards per rush is because folks are concentrating on stopping the pass. You did have more of a balanced attack in the second half. But not consistently. Look at the Panther game for example the last game. You threw 82% of the time. You were 28th in rushing in the league not even averaging 100 yards a game. If balanced for you means you throw for twice as many yards as you run, then you were balanced.

Jammal Brown

Carl Nicks

Jahri Evans

These guys are as physical as it gets in the NFC South. Our left side, Nicks and Brown, are as big as it gets in the NFL. Our YPC behind the left end of the line is 4.53 and 5.17 YPC beind the tackle. Because Payton does not run as much as some does not mean they're not physical.

We also passed a ton more vs. Carolina because both Pierre and Reggie were out. All we had were backs that had just been there for a couple weeks.

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Jammal Brown

Carl Nicks

Jahri Evans

These guys are as physical as it gets in the NFC South. Our left side, Nicks and Brown, are as big as it gets in the NFL. Our YPC behind the left end of the line is 4.53 and 5.17 YPC beind the tackle. Because Payton does not run as much as some does not mean they're not physical.

We also passed a ton more vs. Carolina because both Pierre and Reggie were out. All we had were backs that had just been there for a couple weeks.

Nicks is physical that is true but that is pretty much it.

Jammal Brown is a very good left tackle because he can protect Bree's blind side but like Gross he is a better pass blocker than a run blocker. And that is 2 out of 5 guys. The rest are average to below average against the run.

Here is what they said about Evans coming out of the draft in 2006.

"Jahri Evans does not have good footwork, making him not as productive as he is capable. Instead of sliding out to the corner in pass protection, Evans tends to stand up, turn and run to the corner to block wide rushers which gets him in trouble by edge rushers and by quick pass-rush moves back to the inside. Jahri pass blocks upright and high, does not fire-off the ball on run blocks and does not drive defensive linemen off the line of scrimmage. While he usually blocks well in space, he does get lazy at times, stops feet and leans to maintain contact and ends up falling off and losing block."

http://www.sportspool.com/football/draft/473.php

Again it doesn't really matter what the excuse, the truth is you won't run much as long as you are behind trying to catch up. The run game will only work when you are ahead not behind.

Seriously you can say all you want but no one outside of New Orleans would ever call your team a balanced attack or your line a good run blocking team. Get real.

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