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Nawrocki hates everybody

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stirs Grand Master

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First of all, the article listed the top 10 guys who basically had flags in Nawroaki's opinion.

 

I am sure they could have asked a multitude of other guys to give their top 10 red flag guys, but they chose Nawrocki.

 

Secondly, his top 10 has white guys and black guys.  If you are reporting on a league with 75% black participants, odds are, you're gonna have a bad report on a black guy.

 

Truth is, if had had not given Cam a bad report, you guys would have nothing to say.  Guess there are a lot of butthurt Aggie fans tonight that hate Nawrocki.

 

Bottom line is, wheither Cam or Manziel, this guys opinion means nothing.  Both could make it or not be in the league in 5 years and nothing that Nawrocki or Mayock or John Clayton or Mel Kiper says will dictate their future.  They themselves are the only ones with a say in it. 

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I gotta stick up a bit for Mr. Scot here. To the rest of you...

 

1. First of all, ffs, when you're an analyst, you're not gonna think that everyone's the bee's knees. If you think everyone's a future HOFer, your analysis is ass. Therefore, you're always gonna give certain players bad grades. It's not 'hating'. It's not personal. There's no ulterior motive. Grow up.

 

2. Stop thinking that someone is a bad analyst just because they got it wrong on one of your favourite players. It's a marathon, not a sprint. Please judge the talking heads over a long body of work. Mike Mayock for example is a great analyst. Yes, he got it wrong with Cam, and no, he's not perfect. But compare his results with the other heads and you realise that his hit rate is very impressive.

 

3. Don't just dismiss what someone has to say just because they've made a mistake about a similar call in the past. Are you guys really gonna dismiss what Cosell said about Manziel's inconsistency just because he said the same thing about Cam? Why don't you lazy motherfugers actually look at those games and give a more robust justification? Why don't you actually do your own research and say, compare the consistency of different QB's through statistics? Too much work for you? Fine, just don't say anything at all then. Don't insult our intelligence with crappy arguments.

 

There's probably a million more things I could say about this kind of stuff, but this will do for now. Honestly, every time I log on here I want to logically slap someone in the face. The only reason I don't do this more often is because I don't want to deal with the next wave of crappy arguments that come in response.

 

Are we going to dismiss it altogether? No.

 

Are we going to allow one poster to hold it up as if he's bringing the 10 commandments from the freakin mountain because it happens to agree with his opinion? No.

 

Yet you think one example is so terrible you can't even face it, but the other is perfectly ok.

 

Manziel has proven extremely consistent over the years, and we've shown the stats for that. Cosell points to 2 games out of the past 2 years where he performed poorly. That's not exactly backing up the "consistency" argument, now is it? Manziel was certainly consistent in being able to throw all over one of the best college pass defenses in the nation. Twice.

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Are we going to dismiss it altogether? No.

 

Are we going to allow one poster to hold it up as if he's bringing the 10 commandments from the freakin mountain because it happens to agree with his opinion? No.

 

Yet you think one example is so terrible you can't even face it, but the other is perfectly ok.

 

Manziel has proven extremely consistent over the years, and we've shown the stats for that. Cosell points to 2 games out of the past 2 years where he performed poorly. That's not exactly backing up the "consistency" argument, now is it? Manziel was certainly consistent in being able to throw all over one of the best college pass defenses in the nation. Twice.

 

I'm happy with that argument. But read what I said again, I was cringing more over the way points were made, not the stance itself.

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I was too (once in person).

 

His stats reflected his efficiency on the field quite nicely no matter how much you don't like him personally... sorry.

 

Was at the LSU game last year.  Nope

 

How come if someone does not like Manziel's game it has to be personal?  I am sure I drank and did a lot of other things in college a ton more than he ever thought about.  But because I don't think his game will translate to the NFL, the way he plays now, it must be because I don't like him as a person? 

 

I like Cooks.  I think he will be a good receiver in the NFL.  I have seen others on this board who worry about his size.  I love his route running and the way he competes for the ball in the air.  I don't think the people that don't like him as a player think he is a bad person. 

 

But everyone that does not like Manziel as a player must think he is a bad person?  I think it says more about the people that believe that, than the people that believe he is not a good player.

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Buddy Ryan thought having Randall Cunningham meant he didn't need to pay much attention to the offense (not that he would have anyway).

 

It is true that today's quarterbacks are more athletic than in years past, but what's also true is that the same can be said of every other position on the field.  Older quarterbacks like Bradshaw and Staubach never had to run from a freakish athlete like Julius Peppers.

 

Whether you can run or not, you still have to be a good passer to succeed as an NFL quarterback, especially with the rules as they are today.  Being a good runner adds another dimension, but you can still succeed without that (see Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, etc).

 

I really don't think that fact will ever change.  You're not going to see a day where a quarterback who's a great runner but a lousy passer is a championship caliber QB.

 

No, but teams are allowing those athletic QB's to use their athleticism while they develop their passing skills. They're no longer either trying to force them into the pocket passer mold or just use them as an extra running back.  I think teams today are smarter about how to take advantage of their QB's skills. 

 

Also, like you said, all positions are becoming more athletic, and that will put pressure on teams to have a more athletic QB.  The statue patiently waiting in the pocket for his receiver to get open is quickly becoming a thing of the past.    

 

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As draft analysts go, I was a much bigger fan of Joel Buchsbaum.  The only argument I made was that his analysis wasn't racist.

 

But by all means, please show me the racism in the profile of Teddy Bridgewater linked above, if you can.

 

For comparison's sake, here's the one for Johnny Manziel (link)

 

How stupid would he be to make racist comment against every black QB. Bridgewater is the kind of kid that anything negative and non-sports related that is said about him would cause an uproar and result in people getting fired from their job. The kid is so quiet and humble. He's not out there like that. I can assure you he'll destroy Winston next year. And, since saying negative things about players is his thing, it will get played out pretty soon. People will just ignore it at some point. It's funny he didn't post his comment a few days before the draft, instead he post it 2 months in advance so we can all forget about it by then. Geno says 'hello!'.

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Johnny Football will always be hated by the subset of college football fans that want their QB's to pretend to be humble and love Jesus while they beat their girlfriends and date rape half the campus. I can't wait for him to make even more enemies in the NFL.

 

Somebody tell me what he's done wrong other than be honest? People act like he's the only college football player living his weekends at the bar.

Manziel is benefiting from "any publicity is good publicity". The more he's talked about the higher he got graded for the draft. There is a reason even after he won the Heisman the year prior he was still projected as a second rounder. Now all of a sudden "he got better" to the point of a #1 projection. The black players that get pooed on normally have a high draft grade from the start. The media is just trying to play the "look we're fair" game with Manziel. Manziel is not that talented of a QB for me to know so much about him. They're setting the stage to poo on Winston, but in the end he's still gonna be a top 5 pick.

 

One more thing, Manziel is loved by the media. They are helping him.

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I could be wrong, but I just don't see Clowny been that every down guy. Clowny seems to disappear in games. Clowny never got to UNC QB in the first game of the season. I honestly don't see him been great. He might be good, but never great.

Was that first game the only game you saw of him that season? His size and speed can make him great. There aren't many 6'7 250 guys that run 4.4s walking around

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I think that Jonny will do pretty well at the next level, but that will depend on where he goes....like most QB's.

 

If he can learn to play from the pocket a little more, he could be really good, but as of now, he seems a bit nervous in there, and wants to play in space.

 

Don't think that he is as polished as Wilson, but could be a better player if he puts in the work.

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