Cam Newton Brings Out The Worst In Everyone

[d-dave]

I saw that one last night before bed, and it was interesting.  I think the way Manzel is treated will be an interesting reflection on racial expectations for QBs.  I do think that Cam benefits from his professional arrogance, just as ALL NFL pros should.  He wears it on his sleeve, which I think is a good thing for him and us as a team.  I disagree that taking away Cam's ability to run complete compromises his game.  Earlier in his career, absolutely, but towards the end of the season, I think we saw a much better pocket Cam than he'd been.  Or maybe it's just the rose colored glasses of perspective.

 

That being said, with the Well's Report and the Michael Sam story, things are going to change from a behavioral expectation for all players.  Does Cam bring out the worst in people?  Depends on your perspective.  Many of us have embraced Cam and all his Cam-ness.  Were some of us a little slow to accept Cam?  No doubt.  He's different from anyone else.  But would I trade him for anyone else?  Heck no.  He's our QB, and he's a Panther.  I love him for what he brings on the field and off, for good or for ill.

[Evengelion]

I didn't even read the follow on articles because the first section about Cam Newton was such a hot pile of dung.

Dude, go take a break. You're not doing too well right now.

[OneBadCat]

I totally agree with the article it's pathetic the picture that the media tried to paint of Cam. Let's all be honest hear. When it comes down to it they were trying to make him look like a thug, or like Richard Sherman says the other word for N. 

 

Now of course we go 12-4 and the reason is because Cam talks better in post game interviews. Totally ignorant bullsht. Cam got better as a player but he wasn't dramatically better than he was last year. Cam was better at playing within the scheme. But yet again the reason were competitive in these games was because of Cam. Like it has been for the past 2 years. The difference is that our defense has become phenomenal. 

 

The day we win the Super Bowl I hope Cam let's loose and call the media out on all their BS. He can do it politely if he wants but they slandered the hell out him for 2 years straight and he's still being called "just another Vick". 

[Evengelion]

 

 

Did you see this?

 

 

Peyton didn't look too 'cerebral' in the SB. So, right now everybody's back in the fray in the cerebral contest.

[Evengelion]

Ha your right, I glazed over it and kind of assumed what the article was about. Its actually the opposite of what I thought it was. Man I must be the biggest piece of trash moron ever to live, or am I just trying to get a rise out of all of you masterdebaters and holier than though because I went to college even though 49 percent of the country has guys?

Community college is for everyone in the community. Gotta get your learn on.

 

[Mr. Scot]

Can we rename this thread to "ITT Watch some asshole make an asshole out of themselves"?

 

That could be the title of half the threads on this board.

 

 

if we are being honest. Cam is cocky, and there is not one fuging thing wrong with that in his chosen profession. it has made him the success he is today.

 

go behind closed doors and see how Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Philip Rivers, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers act. They are the best of the best in the hardest sport in the world.

 

It is all a media game. It's not "maturation" it's just learning the media game. Cam figured that out, when before he could not give a fug. (which was refreshing to me tbh)

 

You and I might define 'cocky' differently, but I just don't see Cam being cocky at all.

 

To me, 'cocky' is someone who spends a lot of time telling everybody how great they are.  I can't recall seeing Newton do that anytime recently.  Steve Smith is most certainly cocky (granted, he can back it up) but Newton?  Don't see it.  Honestly, other than maybe Rivers, i don't see that in most of the other names wither (though I grant Brady is a prick).

 

If you're talking about a cocky quarterback, first example that comes to my mind is Colin Kaepernick.  That borderline irrational public rant about how Richard Sherman was supposedly afraid of him, that screams 'cocky bastard'.  I've even heard Russell Wilson say some things in interviews that could be taken as cocky, though given he just quarterbacked his team to a Super Bowl win, it's kinda tough to be critical.

 

Now Newton is definitely a fun loving guy.  Between his 'Superman' pose and his photobombing and messing with teammates and such, he's clearly a jokester.  When he talks in pressers though, I don't see a whole lot of difference between him and Luke Kuechly.  Both talk about their teammates and shrug off discussions about how great they did/are.  The biggest difference between them would be that while Cam has fun with it, Luke is super intense and probably couldn't tell a good joke with a gun to his head.

 

So yeah, the brash, cocky guy I hear people talking about with Newton?  I'm not seeing him. 

 

Confident?  Sure.  Funny?  Yeah. 

 

Cocky?  No.

[Evengelion]

if we are being honest. Cam is cocky, and there is not one fuging thing wrong with that in his chosen profession. it has made him the success he is today.

 

go behind closed doors and see how Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Philip Rivers, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers act. They are the best of the best in the hardest sport in the world.

 

It is all a media game. It's not "maturation" it's just learning the media game. Cam figured that out, when before he could not give a fug. (which was refreshing to me tbh)

The QB position other than kickers are the softest and safest position on the field. Peyton with his frail little body couldn't go in the middle to catch slants to save his life. That's why the QB position is such a contested position not only physically but socially and as it pertains to this article, racially too. It's a rewarding and safer position in a very violent sport. It's a safe niche in a very violent and rewarding sport. A QB like Peyton spend 15+ years standing in one spot on the field, never touched, never run, just throwing a football to a bunch of really tough guys while getting paid $15-20 mil per year. The QB position is the only way a non-athletic guy figured they could get on the field. They also managed to convince the world that's the only way the position should be played. Like the saying goes "the biggest trick the devil ever concocted was convincing the world he didn't exist".  But nothing fake last forever. Now QBs are expected to actually be tough in a touch sports.That's why all of a sudden the league and media is scrambling to find 'its' athletic(in Andrew Luck) guy to retain its old image.

 

I wouldn't say they're the best of the best in the sport. You have to include other positions too in this 'the best of the best' talk.

 

[panthers55]

What I don't see is any acknowledgement that things have changed and they surely have. Sure sports have been racist and it has been in most sports not just in football or at quarterback. Sure things were hard in the past and guys like Moon and Williams paved the way for Newton and Wilson today.  But I don't understand the correlation to how racism 30 or 40 years is still so prevalent in sports today.  Things are very different in the past 10 years than they were in the 60s, 70s or 80s.  I guess it takes someone living through both times to see and live the difference.  Sure there will be always be racism which cuts in both directions.  I just don't see many correlations to what Newton is going through to blatant racism given that guys like Wilson have not had the same issues or problems.  Cam has not been treated fairly in many regards but I think there are a bunch of issues besides his race.  

[Mr. Scot]

Article makes too many excuses for Michael Vick.

 

Dan Reeves was arguably the best coach he had.  Reality is he just wasn't (and isn't) a good passer.

[TheRumGone]

That could be the title of half the threads on this board.

You and I might define 'cocky' differently, but I just don't see Cam being cocky at all.

To me, 'cocky' is someone who spends a lot of time telling everybody how great they are. I can't recall seeing Newton do that anytime recently. Steve Smith is most certainly cocky (granted, he can back it up) but Newton? Don't see it. Honestly, other than maybe Rivers, i don't see that in most of the other names wither (though I grant Brady is a prick).

If you're talking about a cocky quarterback, first example that comes to my mind is Colin Kaepernick. That borderline irrational public rant about how Richard Sherman was supposedly afraid of him, that screams 'cocky bastard'. I've even heard Russell Wilson say some things in interviews that could be taken as cocky, though given he just quarterbacked his team to a Super Bowl win, it's kinda tough to be critical.

Now Newton is definitely a fun loving guy. Between his 'Superman' pose and his photobombing and messing with teammates and such, he's clearly a jokester. When he talks in pressers though, I don't see a whole lot of difference between him and Luke Kuechly. Both talk about their teammates and shrug off discussions about how great they did/are. The biggest difference between them would be that while Cam has fun with it, Luke is super intense and probably couldn't tell a good joke with a gun to his head.

So yeah, the brash, cocky guy I hear people talking about with Newton? I'm not seeing him.

Confident? Sure. Funny? Yeah.

Cocky? No.

Everyone I've talked to that has met cam or played against him in high school said he was super cocky. Never said he was a dickhead though. He refered to himself in the third person during interviews.

These guys have been the poo since high school. Some would say cam's cockiness is what masks his social awkwardness which I have heard from people.

[Mr. Scot]

Everyone I've talked to that has met cam or played against him in high school said he was super cocky. Never said he was a dickhead though. He refered to himself in the third person during interviews.

These guys have been the poo since high school. Some would say cam's cockiness is what masks his social awkwardness which I have heard from people.

 

But is he still that way now?

 

A lot of us are cocky at that age, especially great athletes.

 

[TheRumGone]

But is he still that way now?

A lot of us are cocky at that age, especially great athletes.

That wasn't the point I was trying to make. I'm sure he still thinks he's the poo because well he is. It's a media game with select words you have to use. Cam hasn't changed a bit and I'm glad

[Mr. Scot]

That wasn't the point I was trying to make. I'm sure he still thinks he's the poo because well he is. It's a media game with select words you have to use. Cam hasn't changed a bit and I'm glad

 

Oh, I think he has.  Remember the issues some teammates had with him early on?  By their own statement, he handled constructive criticism well and took what they had to say to heart.

 

I don't know that I've ever met a kid fresh out of college that didn't have at least some growing up to do.  Newton may not have had as much as some thought, but I think even he himself would say he's not entirely the same guy now as he was then.

[Jangler]

Lets call him "cock sure".