Charlotte's Front Office Dysfunction

[carpanfan96]

There's only two players (maybe three, still don't know what the team has in Zeller) that the Bobcats currently have with any upside what so ever. MKG and Biz are still two of the youngest players in the NBA. Both are already borderline elite on one side of the ball with tons of athleticism. 

 

Kemba has reached his, it's a volume shooter that shoots .41% from the field and 34% from the Three at best. Hendo has reached his, it's a 2 guard not capable of shooting the 3 consistently. Jefferson is a borderline all-Star player, who has to be hid on the defensive end of the floor because he's slower then stagnant water in a puddle. McRoberts is a pass first point forward who's decent at everything, but good at nothing and probably wouldn't start on a playoff team anywhere in the NBA. He's only here because Kemba stagnates the offense with his lack of ball movement and volume shooting. 

 

 

 

It's already time to start rebuilding this team and it got no where with how it's being built. Adding Jefferson to the mix only prolonged the misery. 

[Proudiddy]

I don't even see a reason to keep Kemba, he's not consistent enough with his deep shot or enough of a passer. Jefferson is up there in age and luckily he's not built on athleticism, but he'll likely experience a drop off because of his minutes played. 

 

 

I see no value with this team at all long term, everything I see with the current roster make up outside of the potential upsides of MKG, Zeller and Biz scream short term...lets make season 1 of the Hornets good then rebuild again. 

 

Especially if they are looking at already trading Zeller, MKG and Biz. The three best prospects they have upside wise. 

 

 

 

That seriously screams lets make another dumb short term decision again like we did in building the 2010 team.

 

 

 

As for the team being built, I just see a bunch of HIggins type moves surrounded by Cho draft picks. I'm sorry, but making the playoffs as the 8th seed isn't going to change my mind about Jefferson, it was the dumbest decision the team has made. Trying to trade away most of your assets to move up from the 8th seed to the 6th seed also screams desperation to me.

 

 

 

 

 

You build through the draft as a small market team until you get it right, if you mess up acknowledge it and start over.  Going through this pointless cycle of making the playoffs as an eighth seed and then being bad for 4-5 years followed by another 8th seed is stupid. 

 

 

Go for broke, at least you know you tried to bring a championship to your city, doing what the Bobcats are doing know isn't ever going to bring a finals appearance or anything close to that. 

 

Yeah, that's really been hitting home for me a lot lately - we are not ever going to be up there with the elite until or IF we get a superstar in the draft.  I'm guessing we've had the most Top 10 picks since our inception, and we're still bad (if you aren't top 3 or 4 in the East, you suck), and the reason is because we have drafted horribly.

 

I say Kemba is the only true hit we've had because compared to all the other picks we've ever made, he's the only guy that came in and made himself valuable from day one.  He is an asset, and probably our best asset at that.  None of the other guys we have drafted did or would net much in return.  They've all been filler.  Kemba is a valuable player on any team.

All the other guys in our draft history are mediocre compared to the players drafted around them and where they were drafted themselves.  Take any one player outside of Kemba and Al on the current roster, and if you try to trade them for picks, you would be lucky to get a 2nd rounder back for most of them, and that is the best you would get for any one of them alone at this point.

 

The reason I think Kemba is indispensable where were at right now is because he has the ability to score and his passing has improved as well.  In short, he's a playmaker.  He has the ability to adjust to whatever we build our team to be, he just wants to win above all else.  I also think he has suffered from how the roster has been built around him.  As a drive-first PG, the only guy he has that has consistently been able to knock down an outside shot in the starting 5 is McBob, which is laughable.  And again, it goes back to drafting.  We've never once, outside of Kemba, been able to draft a capable scorer, and Kemba isn't even a dominant one, he's very good.

 

Man, we could go on forever, but I agree with the general premise, although I don't think signing Big Al was crippling long-term and I like him as a player and person.  I don't think it matters what we do...  Unless we hit on draft pick or are able to sign a real superstar - Lebron, Carmelo, maybe Bosh - nothing will change.  We suck and we'll continue to suck until one of those things happens.

 

[Proudiddy]

The amount of stupidity in this thread and this board as a whole never ceases to appall me.

 

What exactly is it that you find stupid?

 

[carpanfan96]

I think the point about Indiana is that they didn't start with a super star.  They got solid pieces and built them into a Defensive juggernaut and developed Paul George into a superstar. 

 

Seriously look up how they built the current Pacer's team and you'll laugh. They fleeced the Raptors and a few other teams. George was a top 10 pick as well. 

[Carl Spackler]

What exactly is it that you find stupid?

 

 

Cutting Kemba Walker in hopes of getting someone better. It's the 2014 equivalent of "let's get rid of LJ." 

 

Saying Biz isn't a bust. Sorry. He is. He's still got value, though, as a shot-blocker. But he's not worth the 7th pick in the draft. Sadly, this is how the draft is becoming. Everyone's a project. It sucks.

 

Saying Big Al is anything other than the best player this franchise has ever had other than Wallace, and is a cornerstone.

 

Wanting to tank every fuging season. That's probably the biggest complaint I have right there.

[carpanfan96]

Cutting Kemba Walker in hopes of getting someone better. It's the 2014 equivalent of "let's get rid of LJ." 

 

Saying Biz isn't a bust. Sorry. He is. He's still got value, though, as a shot-blocker. But he's not worth the 7th pick in the draft. Sadly, this is how the draft is becoming. Everyone's a project. It sucks.

 

Saying Big Al is anything other than the best player this franchise has ever had other than Wallace, and is a cornerstone.

 

Wanting to tank every fuging season. That's probably the biggest complaint I have right there.

 

 

It's not stupid to laugh at the decision to sign Jefferson. A bunch of experts laughed at Charlotte for signing him to the contract they did.

 

Not only that but they have to hid him on defense and MKG is the reason they are able to do that. Without MKG the team defense sucks and you could clearly see that when he was out.  If you knew how much of the team defense was because of MKG you'd never say he was a bust. He not only covers up Jefferson's weakness on defense, but he also guards the other team's best player night in and night out. The kid wears himself out on the defensive end because of what's asked of him when he's on the floor. 

 

 

Biz is an elite (repeat that in your head a few times) Rim protector. He's only 21 and has been playing basketball for just 5 years. He's still one of the youngest players in the NBA, heck he'd be one of the youngest players in the upcoming draft. So would MKG. 

 

 

let's put it this way, Embiid will be 20 when he's drafted. 

[Proudiddy]

Cutting Kemba Walker in hopes of getting someone better. It's the 2014 equivalent of "let's get rid of LJ." 

 

Saying Biz isn't a bust. Sorry. He is. He's still got value, though, as a shot-blocker. But he's not worth the 7th pick in the draft. Sadly, this is how the draft is becoming. Everyone's a project. It sucks.

 

Saying Big Al is anything other than the best player this franchise has ever had other than Wallace, and is a cornerstone.

 

Wanting to tank every fuging season. That's probably the biggest complaint I have right there.

 

Well, we all definitely have our own take on things, and that's to be respected. 

I agree with CPF on the dysfunction aspect and past failures of the front office, as well as the current structure of the team being poorly constructed, as-is.  But, I disagree on his views about which players are expendable.

 

I appreciate MKG's defensive abilities, but his lack of offense is unforgivable.  I really wouldn't mind if he is moved, so long as it is for a good return.  I don't see him improving very much offensive from where he is right now, regardless of age.

 

I thought Biz was a bust up until this season, but after getting Ewing in here, and subsequently Al, I think he has really started to improve.  He looks solid offensively and has improved even more defensively.  I think he could start on the right team and be a valuable asset.  So, I wouldn't call him a bust.

 

Al is a really arguably our best player, and if he upholds the current level of play through the remainder of the season, he will be the best player in terms of skill and stats this franchise has ever had in any one season.  As I said, I don't regret signing him.  It was a bargain for the amount of production he gives us.  Would I like to sign Lebron?  LOL, yeah...  But, would he or any other elite player?  Probably not.  Even with the recent discussion of Kevin Love, I have to say, Kevin Love is not elite, he doesn't single-handedly change a franchise.  So, we're gonna be in this area until we sign or draft one of those type of guys. 

I love Kemba personally.  I would love for him to be a part of this team when we turn things around and get it right.  But, again, if we sign Kemba to a long-term extension, we're going to have to draft a superstar in the next draft or two.

And I don't want to tank, I've made that clear from the jump this season.  But, I want our front office to have a clear vision and direction, which they don't.  If we are ready to win, then go out and get players to win with.  That's easier said than done.

 

So, I agree with most of your points regarding the personnel and wanting to win, but I am NOT happy with the way our front office has operated and is operating.

 

[carpanfan96]

Also I've never said Tank, I said as a small market team you have to draft until you get it right. I also never said to cut Kemba or anything of the such. It's that his contract is coming up and he'll be looking to get paid roughly 10m a season and I don't think he's worth that at all. 

 

Charlotte hasn't gotten the right mix of player in.. Jefferson and company need a drive and pass PG, who can play the defensive side and shoot the 3. Need a deep threat at either the 2 or the 3 and you need someone to cover up Jefferson on defense. Also could stand to get a better stretch 4 in to replace McRoberts as well. 

 

 

[Proudiddy]

Also I've never said Tank, I said as a small market team you have to draft until you get it right. I also never said to cut Kemba or anything of the such. It's that his contract is coming up and he'll be looking to get paid roughly 10m a season and I don't think he's worth that at all. 

 

Charlotte hasn't gotten the right mix of player in.. Jefferson and company need a drive and pass PG, who can play the defensive side and shoot the 3. Need a deep threat at either the 2 or the 3 and you need someone to cover up Jefferson on defense. Also could stand to get a better stretch 4 in to replace McRoberts as well. 

 

Yeah, I wasn't saying you did say any of that.  But, as I said, I think Kemba can adapt to whatever other players are around him.  He's not playing up to his potential right now because the rest of the team outside of Al, sucks on offense.

 

Bottom line is, we definitely aren't built to contend. 

 

[carpanfan96]

So are we all in agreement that Charlotte's front office has generally sucked? 

[Proudiddy]

Absolutely, lol.

[RoaringRiot]

How much involvement on those past trades were ideas from Larry Brown?  Is the reason why we're not seeing them happen currently because he's gone rather than Cho being here?  

[carpanfan96]

How much involvement on those past trades were ideas from Larry Brown?  Is the reason why we're not seeing them happen currently because he's gone rather than Cho being here?  

 

 

You know you bring up a very valid point, he's the very reason for the Chandler trade and the reason the Toronto trade never happened. 

[Proudiddy]

Yeah, but I believe the J-Rich trade was before LB as well, which was a win-now, think-later trade.

 

Also, regardless of what kind of influence LB had, you don't EVER make the trade we did with Dallas.  EVER.  That goes on Higgins.