You think Hardy saw Michael Bennett's remarks on a "discount"?

[Snake]

Since you don't seem to have the capacity to pick up my point, I'll spell it out for you more clearly.

 

You said that players are "greedy" when they try to get as large of a contract as they can, because it's possible that they could underperform and wouldn't give any of the money back. However, despite the red herrings and strawmen you have been trying to answer my question with, teams who have a player that performs to a higher level than his contract, they DO NOT pay their players retroactively as a reward for past performance. They might offer a larger contract next time, but they are paying for predicted future performance, not as a reward for past performance. They are simply competing with every other team for the player's future services.

 

And when teams offer to extend contracts, it's to prevent players from hitting free agency, it's not as a reward. Here's another hypothetical for you, although I'm doubtful you will understand this one either considering your track record. If a player was making league minimum over a season but still ended up breaking records and winning MVP, then destroyed his knee in the last game of the season and had to retire, would his team give him the millions he should have earned over the season anyway?

If your answer is no (and no is the correct answer), then your argument about players being greedy because they might underperform falls apart.

 

I see your point. I just dont agree with it nor think it makes much sense. Players that perform get paid, simple as that. Some are greedy some are not.

 

[Evengelion]

tag and trade. That's my dream scenario.

[DaCityKats]

Unless you're a drafted rookie under the new CBA...their contracts are 100% guaranteed.

If there were no such thing as guaranteed contracts in the NFL, we wouldn't have millions of dollars of our salary cap going to players that are no longer on the team.

Again some money is guaranteed, but not all. I can sign a deal for 5 years for $35 mill, but get guaranteed only $15 mill. That $15 I will see, I might see the rest of the money on that contract. Compare that to other leagues, I will see all or very close to that $35 mill.

[neverlosethefeeling]

Again some money is guaranteed, but not all. I can sign a deal for 5 years for $35 mill, but get guaranteed only $15 mill. That $15 I will see, I might see the rest of the money on that contract. Compare that to other leagues, I will see all or very close to that $35 mill.

 

Depends on the contract. Each of our first round picks under the new CBA has a fully guaranteed contract.

[jtm]

NFL players are just like all of us here; they want the best for themselves and their family and this usually means $, but sometimes quality of life is taken into consideration. As a result, you rarely see players take discounts and it is hypocritical for any fan to want or expect a player to do this when they wouldn't for their employer. Yes, the NFL is a business and is one of the largest, most powerful businesses in the world.

Smart players will take less if they fit into a particular scheme or have a relationship with a coach that will help them have a better career. Some guys look at potential endorsements for an area. Make no mistake, it is always about the money.

Guys, Hardy is gone, face it.

[coralreefer_1]

I think many people who were making the kind of millions we are potentially talking about absolutely would consider a hometown discount to stay where they are loved, known, and comfortable, as opposed to perhaps a million more per season someplace else. Its not really a fair comparison to say anyone here would do such, as noone here is potentially making 5-10 million a year.

 

With that said...how awesome would it be if Hardy himself popped back up on here to say directly to thje fans that care so much what the deal is, or come back at the statements (which are facts) that his stats were padded by a single game against a crap team. We can dream~

 

 

 

 

[jtm]

So if Hardy gives us a big discount and signs a long term deal and has a serious injury next year, do you think the same fans won't be calling for him to get cut or resign a lower contract? All of us know the answer to this and this is why our opinion means very little to players.

[RoaringRiot]

we need to be able to let go of this idea or at least understand that even if we don't trade hardy for something that the team will still be benefitting from letting him walk as opposed to signing him to some big contract.

if we let him walk we'll be having enough cap space to help keep a more important player or two and some money to improve in other areas, plus we'll be getting a comp. pick. sure, it's basically an early 4th rounder, but still if that's all that we can pull off then we have to be fine with it.

we can't force anyone to trade with us. we can't force hardy to agree to go to a place that wants to trade with us. if we do want to get more than what i listed above, we can't afford to be too greedy and we will have to accept that we may have to settle for something that may be far less than what we think he's worth...and that means maybe an actual second or third round pick.

is he worth a couple first rounders? sure...but no one is going to pay that for him.

Thank you for this. I got ripped for suggesting the whole "tag and trade" wasn't going to be as simple as people kept putting it. This summarizes it very well.

[rayzor]

Thank you for this. I got ripped for suggesting the whole "tag and trade" wasn't going to be as simple as people kept putting it. This summarizes it very well.

yep. people throw that optiin around like it's something that happens all the time or it's just an esy no brainer thing to do, but it doesnt happen very often at all, in fact I've asked people to list the number of times that teams have used that option in the past 5 or even 10 years. teams may have wanted to use it, but it's juat not that attractive an option.

 

it's not something to expect, nor is it something to bitch about the team not pulling off if/when they don't. 

[Fan01]

I thought the title of this thread read, "You think Hardy saw Michael Bennetts remarks on a "dinosaur"?

 

I was very disappointed when I found out my mistake.  I really wanted to know what he said about a dinosaur and how Hardy responded.

[DaCityKats]

Depends on the contract. Each of our first round picks under the new CBA has a fully guaranteed contract.

the key in that is our first rounders got fully guaranteed contracts, but not every 1st rounder did. Dion Jordan, and Mingo for example have offset language saying their contract is not fully guaranteed. but after those rookie deals, they will never get a fully guaranteed contract.

[neverlosethefeeling]

the key in that is our first rounders got fully guaranteed contracts, but not every 1st rounder did. Dion Jordan, and Mingo for example have offset language saying their contract is not fully guaranteed. but after those rookie deals, they will never get a fully guaranteed contract.

 

Correct. The OP I replied to said there were no guaranteed contracts in the NFL. It may be just a matter of semantics, but I don't think that's true. I would say that just because there are very few fully guaranteed contracts doesn't mean there are no other guarantees. Because there are, as you've stated, and most players have them built in.

[Happy Panther]

I guess there is the possibility that his market rate isn't quite as high as he thinks and we get him for $9-10M instead of $12-15. I sort of doubt it but it is entirely possible that teams realize he was boosted by the other players around him.

[t96]

Also, in the real world, very good people donate their times and services to help the greater good of the community. NFL players can do the same thing.